registries and designated experts (was: Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07, major design issue (one or two URI schemes))
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Tue, 12 June 2012 14:19 UTC
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Subject: registries and designated experts (was: Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07, major design issue (one or two URI schemes))
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[change of subject] On 6/12/12 3:13 AM, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: > > On 2012/06/05 20:11, Stephen Farrell wrote: <snip/> >> I strongly disagree with merging ni& nih. Though that clearly >> could be done, it would be an error. >> >> There was no such comment on the uri-review list and the designated >> expert was happy. That review was IMO the time for such comments >> and second-guessing the designated expert at this stage seems >> contrary to the registration requirements. So process-wise I >> think your main comment is late. > > First, if IETF Last Call is too late to make serious technical comments > on drafts, then I think we have to rename it to IETF Too-Late Call. > > Second, designated experts are there to check for minimum requirements > for a registration, and to give advice as they see fit (and have time). > I'm myself a designated expert on "Character Sets", and I have > definitely in the past approved, and would again in the future approve, > registrations for stuff on which I would complain strongly if the > question was "is this a good technical solution". > > Graham Klyne, the designated expert for URI scheme registrations, has > confirmed offline that he does not see his role as "expert reviewer" as > judging the technical merit of a URI scheme proposal. By my reading, the "happiana" discussions [1] over the 12+ months have led most participants to the conclusion that registration does not imply standardization, and that it's not the role of the designated expert to act as a gatekeeper with respect to the technical merits of the technologies that trigger registration requests. It might be good to have a wider discussion about the purpose of registries and the role of designated experts, but IMHO it's not correct to conclude that a technology is acceptable just because the designated expert didn't object to the registrations related to that technology. Peter [1] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/happiana
- APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07 Martin J. Dürst
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07 Stephen Farrell
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07 … Martin J. Dürst
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07 … Stephen Farrell
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Stephen Farrell
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Stephen Farrell
- registries and designated experts (was: Re: APPSD… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: registries and designated experts Dave Crocker
- Re: registries and designated experts (was: Re: A… Barry Leiba
- Re: registries and designated experts (was: Re: A… SM
- Re: registries and designated experts Brian E Carpenter
- Re: registries and designated experts John C Klensin
- Re: registries and designated experts SM
- Re: registries and designated experts Randy Bush
- Re: registries and designated experts John C Klensin
- Re: registries and designated experts (was: Re: A… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: registries and designated experts Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: registries and designated experts Randy Bush
- Re: registries and designated experts Brian E Carpenter
- RE: registries and designated experts Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: registries and designated experts Thomas Narten
- Re: registries and designated experts ned+ietf
- Re: registries and designated experts John C Klensin
- Re: registries and designated experts Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: registries and designated experts Dave Crocker
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Stephen Farrell
- Re: registries and designated experts Martin J. Dürst
- Re: registries and designated experts Stephen Farrell
- Re: registries and designated experts Martin J. Dürst
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Graham Klyne
- Re: registries and designated experts Graham Klyne
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Graham Klyne