Re: registries and designated experts
"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Sun, 17 June 2012 12:55 UTC
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Hello Thomas, others, On 2012/06/13 21:48, Thomas Narten wrote: >> Maybe an IESG statement on this respect can help here. > > Is the existing text in RFC 5226 not sufficient? It contains extensive > text about the purpose and role of designated experts, and was revised > substantially the last time around to try and find a good middle > ground between being overly prescriptive and giving experts a "blank > check" to do what they want. > > Nothing in the discussion I've seen so far in this thread seems at > odds with or beyond what is already in RFC 5226 (but I may be biased). I have quickly looked through RFC 5226, and found Section 5.3 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5226#section-5.3) which answers in part the specific issue that this thread started with, but not in the direction that we would need this time. What that section says is that if the IETF/IESG thinks they need to register something in a registry, but the procedures for that registry are written too restrictive, then the procedures can be bypassed (but they should be fixed as soon as possible). This time, the situation was somewhat reversed: The expert approved the registration, and this fact was then used as a claim that IETF Last Call comments on the item registered were no longer appropriate. I'm with Ned in that I don't think that IETF consensus should be involved in any but the most important registrations and most blatant registration mistakes, because there are many registrations that don't need standardization. But I really hope that we all agree that registrations can't preempt IETF Last Call comments or consensus. I didn't find anything about this aspect of registrations and expert reviews in RFC 5226, but maybe I didn't look hard enough? Regards, Martin.
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- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07 … Martin J. Dürst
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07 … Stephen Farrell
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Stephen Farrell
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: APPSDIR review of draft-farrell-decade-ni-07,… Stephen Farrell
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- Re: registries and designated experts Martin J. Dürst
- Re: registries and designated experts Stephen Farrell
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