Re: COVID-19 contacts tracker (Re: a brief pondering)

[Jeff Tantsura <[e-mail]>]

I’m with you Christian!
Our privacy/rights will inevitably be abused if the technology allows to do so.
History always repeats itself.

Regards,
Jeff

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 13:23, Christian Huitema <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> On 4/16/2020 10:11 AM, John Wroclawski wrote:
>>>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola=[e-mail]> wrote:
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>>>> Il 16/04/2020 09:18 Rob Sayre <[e-mail]> ha scritto:
>>>> It's not clear that any of these tracker proposals actually harm privacy. Certainly the government in most places can get this data from phone companies and correlate it themselves.
>>> No, because covid19-oriented contact tracing requires much more precision than what can be provided by any location data that the operators can trace through their cellular networks; location data are unsuitable to determine a one-time contact with accuracy […] (the other reason is that this approach allows you to trace contacts even if the cellular and/or GPS connectivity is unavailable, 
>> Yes, exactly. The other interesting thing about the BTLE protocols being proposed is that they’re being designed to report that you came into close proximity to a person of interest, but not (depending on details) where, exactly when, etc. This, plus requiring you to explicitly release your tracking information, is the sense in which they’re “privacy preserving” - implementing minimum semantics needed for this specific purpose and no more.
> Most of the anonymization schemes presented in the past ended up broken.
> I understand that people at MIT, Apple, Google and other places are
> trying real hard to prevent that, but history is not on their side. I
> can easily imagine correlation with adtech surveillance, beacons in
> physical places, cameras and face tracking, fingerprinting of Bluetooth
> radios, etc. Surveillance capitalism is almost guaranteed to invest there.
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>> Of course, one could always cross-correlate with other information (eg, cell-tower-trianguation-level location tracking) to peel some of this back. But if you’re worried about that, the next observation is that the BTLE protocols work even if your LTE radio is turned off - they remember things for later. So you can, at least conceptually, carry your phone with the wide area radio off when you want to, and still learn retrospectively that you were in proximity to a contact.
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> And here comes the slippery slope. The efficiency of this reporting
> varies as the square of the penetration. There will be a huge incentive
> for authorities to increase that efficiency and make installation
> mandatory. That means mandating carrying your phone with Bluetooth
> turned on. See previous point about surveillance capitalism. Then mix
> that with an alliance between states and corporations. Am I the only one
> getting anxious there?
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> -- Christian Huitema
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