Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sun, 13 December 2015 23:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings
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I read the document, and I replying to Harald's point form summary because it captures my concern in fewer words. How can I reconcile: "Extended sequences of virtual interim meetings should be the exception" with: > - An expectation that virtual interims will become more commonplace > over time 6tisch has had 1hr virtual interim meetings approximately every second Friday since the WG was chartered. Perhaps 20 of them occured in each of 2014 and 2015. I agree that finding a time (zone!) that suits a large enough set of people is difficult, and often exclusionary. {My experience is that UTC-0900 people are the hardest to convince to accomodate UTC+900 people... mind you, they put up with a lot of 6am and 7am meeting times which are often the best "compromise". Given how many core contributors/editors are in UTC-900, it's hard to have meetings without them} > My impression is that we should call these meetings "editor meetings", > "design team meetings" or something else - but expecting a *WG* to show > up at weekly phonecalls is a Really Bad Idea, and we shouldn't encorage > more WGs adopting such a practice. I'm not happy with the trend towards formalized design teams with unclear ways in which members are "chosen". In practice, they do not operate fully within the Note Well (in practice!), nor are they clearly informal arrangements. I would prefer to have a WG document-foo editing meeting created as a virtual interim, with the understanding that: 1) anyone can show up with an issue, it's a WG meeting. 2) it's not so formal that any decisions can be made, so there is really nothing to "miss". -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Eliot Lear
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Adrian Farrel
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Jari Arkko
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Thomas Narten
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Jari Arkko
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Harald Alvestrand
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Nadeau Thomas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Nadeau Thomas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Ben Campbell
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Alia Atlas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Michael Richardson
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Yoav Nir
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Michael Richardson
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Andrew Sullivan