Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings
Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> Mon, 14 December 2015 13:25 UTC
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:25:16 -0500
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org>
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Subject: Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings
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On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 08:14:53AM -0800, Dave Crocker wrote: > A real commitment to real inclusiveness is not free. Agreed. Real inclusiveness will take more work and some adapation. For example, I think *all* in-person meetings should be discontinued, as those exclude all but the elite, privileged few who have the time and money and employer/family tolerance for them. And even remote participation in these requires real-time activity by people who may be a significant number of timezones away -- should the IETF really expect someone to be on a 3 AM call (when they'd probably like to be asleep) or on a 2 PM call (when they may be working)? The IETF should not be trying to solve the problem(s) of remote participation in physical meetings. The IETF should be working on the complete elimination of all physical meetings -- because as long as those exist, all the talk about "inclusiveness" is just that: talk. ---rsk
- For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to… IESG Secretary
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Eliot Lear
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Adrian Farrel
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Jari Arkko
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Thomas Narten
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Jari Arkko
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Harald Alvestrand
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Nadeau Thomas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Nadeau Thomas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Ben Campbell
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Alia Atlas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Michael Richardson
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Yoav Nir
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Michael Richardson
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Andrew Sullivan