Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 10 December 2015 19:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings
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Hi,

I find these two statements somewhat inconsistent:

> Extended sequences of virtual interim meetings should be the exception and not the norm 

> Recurring meetings (recommended if much debate is expected), may be scheduled together, with a single announcement.

Also, I think that in the bullet list for virtual interim meetings, a
significant point (for some of us) is missing. Something like:

. IETF participants live in many different time zones. This must be taken into
account when scheduling. Recurring meetings should be arranged at varying
times of day to share the discomfort of late night or early morning calls
fairly.

Regards
   Brian