Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings
"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Fri, 11 December 2015 10:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings
To: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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The NetMod style interim meetings are an example of the exclusionary problem I see with virtual interims. a) for all practical purposes, decisions are being made at the interims, with some verification on the list. b) that schedule of meetings is inherently exclusionary of a large range of people. Yes, a consistent core of people getting together and working on a project consistently can make more progress. But that is at the price of effectively excluding the alrger community. We do allow and encourage design teams. And design teams get together in whatever way and schedule they want. However, a design team has to thoroughly justify there results to the working group, and get meaningful concurrence. Merely confirm acceptance is not usually sufficient for design team outputs.. Yours, Joel On 12/11/15 4:59 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Hi Brian, >> Hi, >> >> I find these two statements somewhat inconsistent: >> >>> Extended sequences of virtual interim meetings should be the exception and not the norm >>> Recurring meetings (recommended if much debate is expected), may be scheduled together, with a single announcement. > I don't understand the inconsistency. > For example in NETMOD, we scheduled bi-weekly meetings until all open > issues on a specific document were addressed. > It doesn't mean that by default, we have recurrent meetings, and there > is no agenda, we cancel the call.
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- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Eliot Lear
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Adrian Farrel
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Jari Arkko
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Thomas Narten
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Jari Arkko
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Benoit Claise
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Harald Alvestrand
- RE: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Nadeau Thomas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Nadeau Thomas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Ben Campbell
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Dave Crocker
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Alia Atlas
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Michael Richardson
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Yoav Nir
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Michael Richardson
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Fac… Andrew Sullivan