Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings

"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Fri, 11 December 2015 10:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: For Review: IESG Statement on Guidance on Face-to-Face and Virtual Interim Meetings
To: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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The NetMod style interim meetings are an example of the exclusionary 
problem I see with virtual interims.
a) for all practical purposes, decisions are being made at the interims, 
with some verification on the list.
b) that schedule of meetings is inherently exclusionary of a large range 
of people.  Yes, a consistent core of people getting together and 
working on a project consistently can make more progress.  But that is 
at the price of effectively excluding the alrger community.

We do allow and encourage design teams.  And design teams get together 
in whatever way and schedule they want.

However, a design team has to thoroughly justify there results to the 
working group, and get meaningful concurrence.  Merely confirm 
acceptance is not usually sufficient for design team outputs..

Yours,
Joel

On 12/11/15 4:59 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>> Hi,
>>
>> I find these two statements somewhat inconsistent:
>>
>>> Extended sequences of virtual interim meetings should be the exception and not the norm
>>> Recurring meetings (recommended if much debate is expected), may be scheduled together, with a single announcement.
> I don't understand the inconsistency.
> For example in NETMOD, we scheduled bi-weekly meetings until all open
> issues on a specific document were addressed.
> It doesn't mean that by default, we have recurrent meetings, and there
> is no agenda, we cancel the call.