Re: List of volunteers for the 2021-2022 NomCom
Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net> Mon, 28 June 2021 02:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: List of volunteers for the 2021-2022 NomCom
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
Cc: Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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From: Michael StJohns <mstjohns@comcast.net>
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On 6/27/2021 9:41 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2021-06-28, at 03:21, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: >> how >> much bigger we would need to make the pool to overcome the >> number of volunteers from that company, i.e., to make their >> fraction of the volunteers small enough relative to the total to >> significantly reduce the chances of their ending up with two >> Nomcom members. > Easy: randomly (*) select 10 companies (clusters) making up the nomcom, and then randomly select one volunteer from each company. > > Let’s see how well this process proposal goes :-) > > Grüße, Carsten > > (*) OK, you get to choose the exact way this randomness works, and that may include weighting by number of volunteers. So we may still have a way to make sure there is enough big-company representation in the nomcom. > As Brian point out in a different message, we probably can't/shouldn't do this in the current pass. But it would be useful to gather a few different models and consider them for the next. Your model has the benefit of simplicity and fixes some structural issues of having as many as 4 Nomcom participants (2 voting members, liaisons and chair) from a single company. That said, it means that people from large companies are substantially less likely to be selected. Another possibility is to change the size of the Nomcom while keeping the 2 per company limits. 20 Members for example. That would dilute the influence of the larger companies while still allowing for a reasonable amount of participation from them. Given that the Nomcom is now doing a larger number of selections per year, an increase in size might be warranted. That would require a bit of cat herding on the part of the Nomcom chair and might suggest the need for sub chairs for the various organizations with vacancies. (e.g. IAB, IESG, Other... ). There's the other model I've suggested a few times but won't repeat here. And I'm sure we can find a few more... Mike
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