Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt> (LISP EID Block) to Informational RFC
Arturo Servin <aservin@lacnic.net> Thu, 15 November 2012 18:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt> (LISP EID Block) to Informational RFC
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Dino, But who are the registries? The RIRs? Large ISPs? IANA? I think you should specify clearly either: what a registry is or that is not defined yet. Point taken on "This draft is purely a draft to REQUEST space. There will need to be a deployment guide on how to allocate EIDs, in general." But then it should be written somewhere in the document. Although it could be enough only to clearly say that a deployment guide would define allocation guides in the future; for the sake of clarity and usefulness (now, after the space is allocated by IANA it will be there left unused because there is not a clearly indication how is going to be used) I would recommend to discuss how the space is going to be allocated. Regards as On 15/11/2012 16:25, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> Luigi, >> >> On 15/11/2012 12:33, Luigi Iannone wrote: >>> >>> On 15 Nov. 2012, at 10:43 , Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>> I have to ask, who can request an netblock from this address space and >>>>> from where? >>>>> I might be blind but I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere. >>>> >>>> Good question. Will there be a central registry, or will parts of the space be delegated to i.e. LISP based ISPs? >>>> >>> >>> Hi Sander, >>> >>> no central registry has been ever discussed, was more about delegated the space to LISP ISPs. >> >> >> How are you going to allocate space to ISPs? > > This is PI space. The registries will take portions of this space to allocate to end devices. This is endpoint ID space. ISPs will continue to allocate addresses for LISP RLOCs. And they will have to allocate orders of magnitude less address space now. > >> Who is going to track the allocations made to ISPs, how are they going >> to be published, what are the requirements to ask for space, what data >> needs to be registered, where I can see allocations data? > > Registries will track allocations to end sites. > >> You asked George why the document is not ready to be published. Well, >> the undocumented rules on how the space is going to be managed is one >> important reason IMHO. > > This draft is purely a draft to REQUEST space. There will need to be a deployment guide on how to allocate EIDs, in general. > > Dino > >> >> Regards, >> as >> >> >>> >>> Luigi >>> >>> >>>> - Sander >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lisp mailing list >>>> lisp@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lisp mailing list >>> lisp@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> lisp mailing list >> lisp@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt>… SM
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… George Michaelson
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt>… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Luigi Iannone
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt>… Luigi Iannone
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Luigi Iannone
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Luigi Iannone
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt>… Luigi Iannone
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt>… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- RE: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Paul Vinciguerra
- Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-03.txt>… SM
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Geoff Huston
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Arturo Servin
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Arturo Servin
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… George Michaelson
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Arturo Servin
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… George Michaelson
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… George Michaelson
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Arturo Servin
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Roger Jørgensen
- RE: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… George, Wes
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- RE: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Paul Vinciguerra
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- RE: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Paul Vinciguerra
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… SM
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Geoff Huston
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… heinerhummel
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Geoff Huston
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… SM
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- RE: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… George, Wes
- RE: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Robert Elz
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Sander Steffann
- RE: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… George, Wes
- RE: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Geoff Huston
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Robert Elz
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Brian Haberman
- Re: [lisp] Last Call: <draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-… Luigi Iannone