RE: IAOC Request for community feedback

"Tony Hain" <alh-ietf@tndh.net> Wed, 24 October 2012 15:41 UTC

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Subject: RE: IAOC Request for community feedback
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> David Morris wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> 
> > Agreed. It could be used for that, but I don't see it as required.
> > We aren't dealing with alleged misbehaviour.
> 
> Where I come from failure to fulfill the duties of the position is
misbehaviour.

My thoughts exactly. 

To a first order the 'urgency' implied by those arguing to bypass the recall
process suggests masking another failure. 
In other words: failure to act on your part does not create a crisis on my
part ...

If the delay to run the recall process is creating a problem for the IAOC,
the petition for recall should have started earlier in parallel with ongoing
contact attempts. If contact occurred, the petition could have been
abandoned. On the other hand, since there is time to waste arguing to bypass
the recall process, there must not be any real urgency. 

While I can understand wanting to follow the simplest process, the expedient
thing to do is follow the established process no matter how long that takes,
because in the end you will end up there and will only have wasted time
trying to work around it.

As StJohns pointed out, there are repercussions outside the cozy den of the
old-boys&girls club here. Has anyone asked council for their take on his
points? If not, that should happen before anything else. 

Tony