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Re: [saag] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 05 January 2023 20:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [saag] Ten years after Snowden (2013 - 2023), is IETF keeping its promises?
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To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
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On 05-Jan-23 22:13, Stewart Bryant wrote:
> That was 2014
> 
> MPLS was an old (and widely deployed) protocol by then and is sourceless even in mp2p applications.

True, but the topic was layer 3 addressing. Also, many point-to-point protocols are addressless and always have been.

    Brian

> 
> Stewart
> 
>> On 4 Jan 2023, at 21:24, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Credit where it's due: Sourceless Network Architecture was described many years ago:
>>
>> https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/techreports/UCAM-CL-TR-849.pdf
>>
>> Regards
>>    Brian
>>
>> On 04-Jan-23 22:35, George Michaelson wrote:
>>> Put a nonce source ip in the packet header and the real source as 4-16 bytes of PFS protected payload.
>>> Use asymmetric routing. A single point of capture which isn't close to source or destination is occluded.
>>> Can't fix a warrant tap, but can at least obfuscate for on-path.
>>> G
>>
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