Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100

Aaron Morgan <abmno4@gmail.com> Fri, 27 May 2016 00:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100
From: Aaron Morgan <abmno4@gmail.com>
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Please take me off this list. I have asked to be taken off for months.
> On May 26, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>; wrote:
> 
> On 05/26/2016 02:44 PM, Margaret Cullen wrote:
>> 
>> You seem to be advocating for an IETF that meets all over the world,
>> while people who are unwilling to travel to those places for reasons
>> of safety or ethics would stay home and participate remotely.  While
>> there might be some (as yet unquantified, see below) advantage to
>> that approach, it would have the _hugely unfortunate effect_ that the
>> most privileged people in the world (rich, white, U.S./European,
>> straight men) might be the only ones who are willing/able to attend
>> every meeting in person.  Given that our leadership selection process
>> depends on in-person attendance, both as a way to select nomcom
>> members and as a requirement for leadership positions, that would run
>> counter to our efforts to make the IETF a more diverse organization
>> across many lines.
> 
> Maybe what run counters making the IETF a more diverse organization is
> the requirement to attend meetings in person in the first place?
> 
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> 
>> Also, while I enjoy our World Tour as much as the next girl, the
>> meeting in Buenos Aires had very poor attendance from regular
>> attendees, and this made it harder to get work done, IMO.
> 
> So this sounds like there's some form of diversity that is desirable,
> and others that aren't (e.g., geographic diversity)? e.g., why don't you
> see this "world tour" (which for a BA-resident wasn't actually a tour in
> the first place) as something that goes in favor of diversity? Or is it
> just that only some forms/expressions of diversity are desirable?
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Fernando Gont
> SI6 Networks
> e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
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