Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...

Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Sat, 01 December 2012 23:52 UTC

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On 12/1/12 2:21 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> My reluctance to get into this is based on an opinion that process
> change proposals with more words attached tend to just not happen,
> so fewer words is better.

I think that's actually a pretty terrible reason.  The goal is
not to get the proposal through, the goal is to improve
something.  That said, while I don't like change just for the
sake of change I think that change for the sake of betterment is
a very good thing indeed.  The main thing is that I've been trying
to figure out where the harm would be here and I haven't been
able to identify anything substantive.  I'd be good with giving
this a limited run and seeing how it goes.

Melinda