Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 08 September 2019 20:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
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On 09-Sep-19 06:06, Joe Touch wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:16 AM, Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com <mailto:tom@herbertland.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I really wish the IAB would look at the issues of wide
>>> spread middlebox non-conformance
>>
>> Wouldn't that require the middle box to become an architectural element?
> 
> Yes, but not just “an” (one):
> 
> Touch, J: Middlebox Models Compatible with the Internet. USC/ISI (ISI-TR-711), 2016. (Type: Technical Report | Links | BibTeX)
> 
>   * https://www.strayalpha.com/pubs/isi-tr-711.pdf

I'll take the liberty of pointing out that we've known for many years that
there are multiple types of middleboxes and they have multiple facets:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3234

So far, we haven't added them to any formal architectural description of
the Internet, probably because we don't have one.

    Brian