Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)

Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 04 September 2019 18:05 UTC

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From: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2019 21:05:32 +0300
Cc: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Joel Halpern <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>, draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile@ietf.org, int-area@ietf.org, intarea-chairs@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: (with COMMENT)
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I did some of the edits, so I’ll respond. Alissa issues a comment. We also got several other comments over the summer. This update responds to a set of comments. I’m on vacation and mostly out of contact, so my co-authors will need to proceed as appropriate. But this was NOT a matter of one person commenting and unrelated edits happening.

For the record, I agree that fragmentation will in fact be used by applications and transports that are using it now, unless and until they are changed. Expecting otherwise is a fool’s errand. Hence, while there are known problems with it, fragmentation and reassembly MAY be used. I don’t think anyone is disputing that.

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> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> 
> So let me see if I understand:
> 
> Alissa issues a comment.
> 
> We discuss this on the list and come to a rare consensus on a way forward.
> 
> The new draft is issued that:
> 
> a) ignores the list consensus
> b) removes a paragraph not under the DISCUSS (1.1)
> c) now refers to vague “other documents” without citation
> d) most importantly:
> 
>    REMOVES a key recommendation that we MAY use frag where it works
>        
>    Asserts the false claim that IP fragmentation “will fail” in the Internet,
>    despite citing evidence that the *majority of the time* it does work
>        e.g., for IPv6, sec 3.9
> 
> What happened? Why is a change this substantial not reflecting the *list consensus*?
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2019, at 5:59 AM, Alissa Cooper via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-16: No Objection
>> 
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>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile/
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>> Thanks for addressing my DISCUSS.
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