Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-06.txt
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Hello Barry, that's great. Are you still interested in more detailed comments (like on Type-P proposals - I'm admittedly not an expert in specifying them), or do you want to finish the document largely as is? If my time allows, I can send some more detailed comments. But I don't want to annoy you (and would myself be happy if you tell me, I can save the effort). Regards, Ruediger Deutsche Telekom Netzproduktion GmbH Zentrum Technik Einführung Rüdiger Geib Heinrich-Hertz-Straße 3-7, 64295 Darmstadt +49 6151 628-2747 (Tel.) +49 251 7985 209 (Fax) http://www.telekom.com Erleben, was verbindet. Deutsche Telekom Netzproduktion GmbH Aufsichtsrat: Dr. Steffen Roehn (Vorsitzender) Geschäftsführung: Dr. Bruno Jacobfeuerborn (Vorsitzender), Albert Matheis, Klaus Peren Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 14190 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn USt-IdNr. DE 814645262 -----Original Message----- From: Barry Constantine [mailto:Barry.Constantine@jdsu.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 8:08 PM To: Geib, Rüdiger; henk@ripe.net Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: RE: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-06.txt Hello Rudi, I think your suggestion is reasonable. Never hurts to be explicit, so we will add Framework to the title as you mentioned. We'll title it: "Framework for TCP Throughput Testing" and add some reference to framework in the intro. Thanks again, Barry Principal Member of Technical Staff JDSU Communication Test (formerly Acterna) Emerging Markets and Technology Research One Milestone Center Court Germantown, MD 20876 (W) 240-404-2227 (C) 301-325-7069 -----Original Message----- From: ippm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:51 AM To: henk@ripe.net Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-06.txt Henk, If time allows, I'll send more comments. If not, here's my view: Change the document title to "Framework for a TCP Throughput Testing Methodology" Arguments: The document as is does not contain any Type P Specification. See definitions in "2.2 Metrics for TCP Throughput Tests" The document only gives guidance on how to measure RTT, bandwidth and some auiliary parameters as RTT jitter (it does not specify how to measure these or refer to specifications of related measurements). I don't recall having seen references to prior related work of IPPM (last read version was draft -05). All in all, I doubt that two implementors are able to measure compatible metrics based on the documents definitions as they are by now. Even if it is only "Informational" I'd prefer classification as a "framework". Many or most other informational documents produced by IPPM contain Type P specifications as soon as metrics are to be established. Regards, Ruediger -----Original Message----- From: ippm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:23 AM To: IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-06.txt IPPM Group, This is a Working Group Last Call for the draft: TCP Throughput Testing Methodology draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-06.txt This version of the draft addresses all issues brought up on the list and at the Maastricht meeting. It also fixes a number of ID-nits. The authors believe that no further work on the draft is needed. Note that there are a few spelling mistakes in the draft, these will be fixed when including any other LC comments. Please review the draft and raise any issues by Monday, September 20, 9:00 UTC. An URL for the draft is: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-06.txt Matt & Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.xs4all.nl/~henku P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I confirm today what I denied yesterday. Anonymous Politician. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Al Morton
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-th… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-th… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Al Morton
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-th… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-th… Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Henk Uijterwaal
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- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-06.… Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-06.… Steve Baillargeon
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-report… Henk Uijterwaal
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- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Al Morton
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Steve Baillargeon
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Steve Baillargeon
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Wesley Eddy
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Al Morton