Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm-06.txt - part 2
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Hi Barry, Part 2 of the comments. Edirorial text changes express my taste. I don't insist on them. Comments Part 3 follows, if time allows. Regards, Ruediger ----- A general comment: the document does not offer any section on terminology or test set up architecture. This causes a fair share of my questions. ----- 3. TCP Throughput Testing Methodology .... 4. Traffic Management Tests. .... Multiple connection testing can verify that the network is configured properly for traffic shaping versus policing, various queueing implementations, and RED. <Please clarify which network element configurations are supposed to be characterised that way, eg. CE routers, PE routers, P routers or all network elements along a path. If PE or P routers are to be tested, please add a statement whether you expect such tests to be carried out by the operational staff of the provider or in cooperation with these.> ---- Same section, later Whether the TCP test host is a standard computer or dedicated test instrument, the following areas should be considered when selecting a test host: - TCP implementation used by the test host OS, i.e. Linux OS kernel using TCP Reno, TCP options supported, etc. This will obviously be more important when using custom test equipment where the TCP implementation may be customized or tuned to run in higher performance hardware <If there is any requirement to use a standard conformant TCP implementation, the text should express this using standard language. Is it clear to any reader why exactly the TCP implementation is an issue by just reading the above text? Or do you expect a certain know how level to understand this issue? MUST or SHOULD the implementation used by the test equipment be recorded when performing a test?> ---- Same section, later - Most importantly, the TCP test host must be capable of generating and receiving stateful TCP test traffic at the full link speed of the network under test. As a general rule of thumb, testing TCP throughput at rates greater than 100 Mbit/sec generally requires high performance server hardware or dedicated hardware based test tools. <Is the first "must" meant to be a "MUST"?> <Please clarify whether the "network under test" is the Layer 2/3 VPN with the access bandwidth agreed for this network or the complete provider network accross which the Layer 2/3 VPN is produced.> ---- Same section, later - To measure RTT and TCP Efficiency per connection, this will generally require dedicated hardware based test tools. In the absence of dedicated hardware based test tools, these measurements may need to be conducted with packet capture tools (conduct TCP throughput tests and analyze RTT and retransmission results with packet captures). <Please add a reference for the "TCP Extended Statistics MIB" [RFC4898] and adapt text, as this might be a way get around dedicated test equipment and packet capture tools.> <Please add an additional section expressing something like:> - The test equipment and its acces to the network under test MUST NOT introduce a performance bottleneck of any kind. ----------Finish for today--------
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Al Morton
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-th… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-th… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Al Morton
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-th… Barry Constantine
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-th… Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughput-tm… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-tcp-throughpu… Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-06.txt Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-06.… Steve Baillargeon
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-06.… Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-06.… Steve Baillargeon
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-report… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] End of WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-report… Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] WGLC draft-ietf-ippm-loss-episode-metrics-… Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-metrictest-03 Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC draft-ietf-ippm-loss-episode-metr… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-metrictest-03 Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-rt-loss Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-rt-loss Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-testplan-rfc2679-… Henk Uijterwaal
- [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-added… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Yaakov Stein
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… steve.baillargeon
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Al Morton
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Steve Baillargeon
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Steve Baillargeon
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Wesley Eddy
- Re: [ippm] WGLC for draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-value-a… Al Morton