Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list
Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net> Mon, 12 November 2018 20:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list
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imp@bsdimp.com said: > The deadline for #6 is leap-second day, correct? ntpd only announces an > impending leap second in the last 24 hours before the leap second. Or is that > just a reference implementation detail. When there's no leap second the > deadline is a few days before since that's the expiration of the previous > file. The ntpd-kernel API is "leap tonight". The ntpd-ntpd API is "leap at the end of this month". A valid local leap-seconds file overrides the results from upstream servers. I'm not sure what happens if ntpd has a valid leap-seconds file after it expires. The early announcement on the wire gives humans a chance to verify that the servers are announcing as expected and/or maybe time to correct things if something is not right. >> 3 TZDB releases updated copy from NIST >> 4 distro releases update to TZDB >> 5 end system picks up new TZDB from distro > Also, to be clear, as far as ntpd is concerned, steps 3, 4, 5 are all > *optional* if there's another mechanism to pull in a new leap-second.txt file > from elsewhere. #5 implies an upgrade of at least some of the packages on the > system. While that's *A* way to do it, there are other equally valid ways. We > should allow for the extra time, of course, for this to happen. Correct. I think the timing on alternatives will be similar so I haven't explored them. In many cases, step 3 goes away. > P.S. Sorry if I'm being too nit-picky here, but traditionally there's been a > wide diversity of methods for obtaining leap-seconds.txt, and it would be > premature to standardize on the above list. Doesn't look nit-picky to me. Not even mildly so, much less "too". Thanks for pointing it out so it gets archived. My main goal is to avoid having every end-user workstation running a cron job pointed at some server that can't do anything about it if some distro ships a buggy version that turns into a DoS. If your users get it from your servers, I'll be happy. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Denis Reilly
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Dieter Sibold
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Salz, Rich
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Salz, Rich
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Jared Mauch
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list tglassey@earthlink.net
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list tglassey@earthlink.net
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Steve Allen
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list tglassey@earthlink.net
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Steve Allen
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Karen O'Donoghue
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Dieter Sibold
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Sanjeev Gupta
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Tony Finch
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Paul Eggert
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Paul Eggert
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list tglassey@earthlink.net
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Danny Mayer
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Steve Allen
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Paul Eggert
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Paul Eggert
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Jared Mauch
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
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- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Paul Eggert
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Jared Mauch
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Warner Losh
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Hal Murray
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Dieter Sibold
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Steve Allen
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Martin Burnicki
- Re: [Ntp] Antw: Re: Finding leap-seconds.list Harlan Stenn
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Dieter Sibold
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Paul Eggert
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Thomas Peterson
- Re: [Ntp] Finding leap-seconds.list Denis Reilly