Re: [PWE3] PWE3 WG adoption of draft-zhang-mpls-tp-pw-oam-config-06

On Sep 9, 2011, at 8:33 AM, John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:

> Tom,
> 
> I think we are agreeing to disagree.

Yes.

>  I think this and the other IDs  
> are a positive step forward.

Coming from a management background and working at a big operator, I can safely say this is a really bad idea - whether or not it's in a requirement s draft or not.  What ultimately will happen is this functionality will just be disabled and not used anyways.

Tom

> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 9, 2011, at 8:07 PM, "Thomas Nadeau" <tnadeau@lucidvision.com>  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:04 PM, John E Drake wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I support the draft.  It and its RSVP-TE and LSP Ping equivalents  
>>> are designed to facilitate one-sided NMS provisioning.  This is  
>>> entirely consistent with GMPLS and MPLS which both strive to reduce  
>>> coordinated configuration.
>> 
>>   While doing what you say, the same problems that I pointed out on  
>> this thread exist in those approaches as well. I have raised the  
>> same issues in CCAMP and MPLS. Two wrongs don't make a right. *)
>> 
>>   --Tom
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pwe3-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pwe3-bounces@ietf.org] On  
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Thomas Nadeau
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:17 AM
>>>> To: Andrew G. Malis
>>>> Cc: pwe3@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [PWE3] PWE3 WG adoption of draft-zhang-mpls-tp-pw-oam-
>>>> config-06
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   As I mentioned during the meeting, I think this it is a bad idea
>>>> to allow configuration via the OAM control channel, so I do not want
>>>> this adopted as a WG draft.
>>>> 
>>>>   --Tom
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This email begins a two-week poll on the PWE3 working group  
>>>>> adoption
>>>>> of draft-zhang-mpls-tp-pw-oam-config-06, to end on Sept. 20.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can read the draft at
>>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-mpls-tp-pw-oam-config-06 .
>>>>> 
>>>>> The MPLS working group was bcc:ed for their information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please respond with any comments to pwe3@ietf.org ONLY.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Andy
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