Re: [rfc-i] Unicode in xml2rfc v3

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> Fri, 18 December 2020 12:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Unicode in xml2rfc v3
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On 17/12/2020 17:25, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>
>
>> On 2020-12-17, at 18:10, tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 17/12/2020 09:19, Martin Thomson wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, at 19:15, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>>> If we want to retain the requirement to use <u> for non-ASCII, another
>>>> approach would be to relax <u> in a way that it does not insert anything
>>>> automatically.
>>>
>>> In terms of signaling intent to use Unicode, as opposed to accidental use (think things like smart quotes), <u> has some virtues.  This would be a perfectly acceptable outcome to me.  A new formatting option for <u> (a default ideally) would be my suggestion.
>>
>> Quotes are a pain in some IETF work.  There are a number of IETF WG who produce minutes of meetings where all quote characters appear as six hexadecimal digits.
>
> Pointers please.


LSR, RTGWG

Tom Petch



>
> Mistakes like these will never survive the RFC editor so I don’t think they add any additional consideration.
>
> Grüße, Carsten
>
> .
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