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Re: [rfc-i] Unicode in xml2rfc v3

Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> Thu, 17 December 2020 09:20 UTC

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 20:19:50 +1100
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Unicode in xml2rfc v3
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, at 19:15, Julian Reschke wrote:
> If we want to retain the requirement to use <u> for non-ASCII, another
> approach would be to relax <u> in a way that it does not insert anything
> automatically.

In terms of signaling intent to use Unicode, as opposed to accidental use (think things like smart quotes), <u> has some virtues.  This would be a perfectly acceptable outcome to me.  A new formatting option for <u> (a default ideally) would be my suggestion.
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