Re: [rfc-i] Unicode in xml2rfc v3

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Thu, 17 December 2020 17:26 UTC

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> On 2020-12-17, at 18:10, tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> wrote:
> 
> On 17/12/2020 09:19, Martin Thomson wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, at 19:15, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> If we want to retain the requirement to use <u> for non-ASCII, another
>>> approach would be to relax <u> in a way that it does not insert anything
>>> automatically.
>> 
>> In terms of signaling intent to use Unicode, as opposed to accidental use (think things like smart quotes), <u> has some virtues.  This would be a perfectly acceptable outcome to me.  A new formatting option for <u> (a default ideally) would be my suggestion.
> 
> Quotes are a pain in some IETF work.  There are a number of IETF WG who produce minutes of meetings where all quote characters appear as six hexadecimal digits.  

Pointers please.

Mistakes like these will never survive the RFC editor so I don’t think they add any additional consideration.

Grüße, Carsten

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