Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – new stream for RFC Editor
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com> Fri, 25 June 2021 19:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – new stream for RFC Editor
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On 6/23/21 3:06 AM, Joel Halpern Direct wrote: > I am wondering if we are mixing the concept of stream manager with > stream content owner. The IESG is responsible for the content of the > IETF stream. The IETF Chair or their delegate is the IETF stream > manager. That role is making sure that there are no issues with the > practical publication of the stream, including interacting with the RPC. I'm not sure that we have a clear definition of the role of a stream manager. Bits and pieces are scattered around in RFCs 4844, 4845, 4846, 4714, etc. > Declaring the RSAB to be the stream manager hurts my head. That is not > a person. And will create confusion about the role of the RSAB. WHile > the obvious analogy is to declare that the RSAB chair is the stream > manager for this new stream, it seems to me that creates confusion since > that person is (unless they are the RSE/A) the stream head for some > other stream. According to https://www.rfc-editor.org/faq/#streamman the stream managers are: For the IAB stream, the IAB Chair For the IETF stream, the IESG For the Independent Submissions stream, the ISE For the IRTF, the IRSG So we already have stream managers that are not natural persons. Peter
- [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – new st… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Jay Daley
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Jay Daley
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Jay Daley
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Michael StJohns
- [Rfced-future] BCP or not [was: Consensus check: … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Jay Daley
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Christian Huitema
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Bob Hinden
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – ne… Brian E Carpenter
- [Rfced-future] RSAB membership (was Re: Consensus… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfced-future] RSAB membership (was Re: Conse… Brian E Carpenter