Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – new stream for RFC Editor

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Fri, 25 June 2021 17:37 UTC

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 10:37:29 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Rfced-future] Consensus check: Issue 22 – new stream for RFC Editor
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> On Jun 25, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
> 
> If the IAB retains the right to rewrite or refuse the documents from this process, then I do not see what we have accomplished with this entire circus ???

+1

Bob


> 
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> On 6/25/2021 1:16 PM, Christian Huitema wrote:
>> On 6/24/2021 1:46 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On 2021-6-24, at 7:57, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> As somebody else said, this stream by its very nature is going to be special and even self-referential. The notion we have of a stream being a client of the RFC Series just doesn't apply, so the normal notion of a stream manager doesn't apply**. But surely we need someone to act as progress chaser and nit resolver when a document has left the RSAB and is inside the RPC? And who will that be if it's not the RSEA?
>>> I still remain unconvinced that we even need a new stream. I may be in the rough, but I would be OK with using the IAB stream and leaving the IAB a role here.
>> +1. That seems a much simpler solution than creating yet another rarely used structure.
>> -- Christian Huitema
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