Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation
jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Sat, 10 November 2012 03:55 UTC
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> From: Scott Brim <swb@internet2.edu> > this group's best accomplishment imho was to understand that and spread > the knowledge. I didn't say the group had produced nothing of value. Clearly, the work on location/identity was useful. (Although it is regrettable that the IETF didn't take the concept on board when RFC-1498 was produced, in 1993, instead of taking almost 20 years to recognize the necessity of separating location and identity - the Internet would be a lot further along at this point if it had.) I just dispute the contention that it produced notable routing work - because it didn't. Which means that, since there _are_ needs for improved routing, we're now going to see the same scenario as I referred to above, with loc-id-sep, repeated in the area of routing - the IETF taking forever to grudgingly admit that what one would hope are seemingly obvious improvements are, in fact, necessary. The only question is, are we again going to see very long delays before that happen (perhaps two decades again)? And better routing is an order of magnitude more complex, technically, than loc-id-sep. So the pain/cost of upgrading _that_ will be that much greater. Noel
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Scott Brim
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation William Herrin
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Danny McPherson
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Danny McPherson
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Shane Amante
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Eliot Lear
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation heinerhummel
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Danny McPherson
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Christian Huitema
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Patrick Frejborg
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation heinerhummel
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Mark Townsley
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Jakob Heitz
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Shane Amante
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Christian Huitema
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Patrick Frejborg
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Scott Brim
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Fleischman, Eric
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation George, Wes
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation William Herrin
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation heinerhummel
- [rrg] RRG to hibernation (resent) heinerhummel
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation William Herrin
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation heinerhummel
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Scott Brim
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Scott Brim
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Dae Young KIM
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Christian Huitema
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Eliot Lear
- [rrg] Where IRON fits in Templin, Fred L
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- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Christian Huitema
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Scott Brim
- Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation Scott Brim