Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation

heinerhummel@aol.com Tue, 04 December 2012 17:58 UTC

Return-Path: <heinerhummel@aol.com>
X-Original-To: rrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F1E21F8C86 for <rrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:58:25 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.948
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XcWpYOtZZObW for <rrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:58:24 -0800 (PST)
Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com (imr-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444F221F8C80 for <rrg@irtf.org>; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:58:24 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 891D31C00010C; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 12:58:23 -0500 (EST)
Received: from core-dqe005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.81]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6CB1BE000088; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 12:58:19 -0500 (EST)
References: <20121112234012.05F8E18C0CA@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <CAFgODJcP1zvwRJukJdnqjSR-78XAMB1nSxL32gjUQB+NqpgESg@mail.gmail.com> <50A18F75.8060001@joelhalpern.com> <CAFgODJcDAzaYPrWFEJhgeCjnN_M9tdd+pdHTiccd=Dz=1mYrLg@mail.gmail.com> <EC8FD781-E416-4AE6-BA99-F74FE2DDA14D@tony.li> <CAFgODJfMBJBxNJ_M1_L=K0f2DpbZvzOBUgLZ6sT+-y+JevGeSg@mail.gmail.com> <27E72BC2-C84D-469F-9667-7A749567B477@tony.li> <CAFgODJfBX0R90oiYnxWrgC1oyr5ZPTZJA23WWu=Dbqu=xmyYTQ@mail.gmail.com> <EA48576E-4953-4408-982F-9D48497F8975@tony.li> <CAFgODJeae5EwSr8aC4b3tGBMxKPZRcfKarUuuwmA1LZKjge6ng@mail.gmail.com> <E613F100-93DE-4AB3-B71D-7250EB6D57BF@tony.li> <CAFgODJcXaCX9th9nkogLhkJu7pQE3=-Yc7DWkGNgX15Rh1UQ8g@mail.gmail.com> <957297EA-FFF8-408A-A181-E57028C9B8E1@tony.li> <CAFgODJfMZZioTNXOsST42kTP_BT4-RsjR_ysQTnZLG5pjoBEdg@mail.gmail.com> <50A2D6BC.602@joelhalpern.com> <CAFgODJfH6U9t17SW5XLSy5nbA380hQZkh7snway-XyiB9MQcNQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAFgODJfRxPqmArKMjgoegD+kYFqhvPGncZiX6jvZgYBRVDnHeg@mail.gmail.com> <8CFA01C40155D41-12C8-49F61@webmail-m180.sysops.aol.com> <CAP-guGVpHiijxeUFx6Z3u3e9zCqbdRO+4KTT2-gijSAbTACuqA@mail.gmail.com>
To: bill@herrin.us
In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGVpHiijxeUFx6Z3u3e9zCqbdRO+4KTT2-gijSAbTACuqA@mail.gmail.com>
X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI
Received: from 178.27.21.1 by webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com (205.188.92.108) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:58:18 -0500
MIME-Version: 1.0
From: heinerhummel@aol.com
X-MB-Message-Type: User
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CFA060139454F9_380_D72D_webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com"
X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37242-STANDARD
Message-Id: <8CFA060139454F9-380-3AAD@webmail-d070.sysops.aol.com>
X-Originating-IP: [178.27.21.1]
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:58:18 -0500
x-aol-global-disposition: G
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1354643900; bh=jtAjjr2KvDiP0J15c4ZL9AfU0AxVFDU1FGagSdhWbIs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IYo656AKUIOC6BoGLpilG1NALPnnu77gTGreHatvsf2fno7MXovNClME9leipNczR 0e/Nu25Znsn/FaeoI9P2iKgBZ9jayNT0sPOf79wa+boow4HZtajrNfNgN4uSZiAueI Ylqqk/0Js2dJWxGyyvdERkWC5FWOKLFGbrBk7pbg=
X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:504844544:93952408
X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0
x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c50be39bb0771
Cc: rrg@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation
X-BeenThere: rrg@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IRTF Routing Research Group <rrg.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/rrg>, <mailto:rrg-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.irtf.org/mail-archive/web/rrg>
List-Post: <mailto:rrg@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rrg-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/rrg>, <mailto:rrg-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:58:25 -0000

Bill, you wrote:
"I think the day for this has past. For better or for worse IPv6 is
slowly happening". 
Well, without any concept how to fill 16 octets with routable information such that all users can be mobile while being involved in unicast or 
anycast or multicast.


"However, if we were going to extend IPv4 with more
bits, here's one strategy:"
http://bill.herrin.us/network/ipxl.html
 
I also thought about the option field, though not as fine-tuned as you did. And: that the leading octets might be placed 
there and eventually moved from there to some other place like to a locator and vice versa. First of all however  that  in the abstraction we have to
extend ipv4  with leading octets.                                                     
Regards,
Heiner







-----Original Message-----
From: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
To: heinerhummel <heinerhummel@aol.com>
Cc: rrg <rrg@irtf.org>
Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [rrg] RRG to hibernation


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:52 AM,  <heinerhummel@aol.com> wrote:
> Above all however there is no working strategy to deal with the situation
> where ipv4 is not globally unique anymore. Neither LISP nor ILNP have so far
> presented a solution. And the RRG has never discussed the theoretical basics
> !!! In principle the 4 octet sized ipv4 address must be extended.My
> proposal: by two additional leading octets - in mind. This doesn't mean that
> they have to be placed directly in front of the 4 octets.  Particularly, the
> value = 0000H might be equivalent to "the two octets  aren't placed anywhere
> at all". But other values might be placed somewhere  (e.g. being part of the
> locator).

Hi Heiner,

I think the day for this has past. For better or for worse IPv6 is
slowly happening. However, if we were going to extend IPv4 with more
bits, here's one strategy:

http://bill.herrin.us/network/ipxl.html

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com  bill@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004