Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Question about SRv6 Insert function)
Robert Raszuk <rraszuk@gmail.com> Thu, 05 September 2019 14:28 UTC
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From: Robert Raszuk <rraszuk@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 16:28:04 +0200
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Subject: Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Question about SRv6 Insert function)
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> 3) Now there's at least one I-D in spring that ignores RFC8200, and > proposes EH-insertion as if it was allowed, essentially circumventing > RFC8200, and IETF consensus. Incorrect. RFC8200 makes it black on white clear that insertion, deletion and mangling is allowed in IPv6 if destination is yourself in the packet's IPv6 outer header. So functions to insert SRH or delete it discussed in SPRING DO NOT violate anything. Remember - in SRv6 you *change* IPv6 dst at each end of segment. So each SR segment node can legally do whatever it needs with EH. Is this clear enough? - - - There is other individual document in 6man proposing a solution for FRR in IPv6 which goes beyond the above. But it in no way that should impact base specs. As written base specs can be used 100% legally according to RFC8200 as it stands today. Now if 6man response to proposl of SRv6 use case for FRR with TI-LFA will state "IPv6 was not designed for that" - I am fine. It will make IPv6 deployments for sure much more robust. It may even help end to end principle shine again and get all of your end IPv6 compute and set-top boxes full open to global hackers. Thx, R.
- [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Quest… Ron Bonica
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… li zhenqiang
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ron Bonica
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ole Troan
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ole Troan
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ole Troan
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Tim Chown
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Tom Herbert
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Enno Rey
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law Nick Hilliard
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Philip Homburg
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Alexander Vainshtein
- [spring] IPv6 EH-insertion (Re: Spirit and Letter… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Mark Smith
- Re: [spring] IPv6 EH-insertion (Re: Spirit and Le… bruno.decraene
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ron Bonica
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Tom Herbert
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ole Troan
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Andrew Alston
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Andrew Alston
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Tom Herbert
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ole Troan
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ron Bonica
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law - non-t… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law - non-t… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ole Troan
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ole Troan
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Tom Herbert
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law Nick Hilliard
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Tom Herbert
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Mark Smith
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Ron Bonica
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law - non-t… Zafar Ali (zali)
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law - non-t… Tom Herbert
- Re: [spring] IPv6 EH-insertion (Re: Spirit and Le… Michael Richardson
- Re: [spring] IPv6 EH-insertion (Re: Spirit and Le… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: [spring] IPv6 EH-insertion (Re: Spirit and Le… Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] IPv6 EH-insertion (Re: Spirit and Le… Mark Smith
- Re: [spring] Spirit and Letter of the Law (was: Q… li zhenqiang
- Re: [spring] IPv6 EH-insertion (Re: Spirit and Le… Fernando Gont