Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00
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From: tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com>
To: John E Drake <jdrake=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>, "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com" <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00
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From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of John E Drake <jdrake=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: 16 February 2021 19:11 CE, PE, and attachment circuit are all pretty standard IETF terms. <tp> Indeed, the RFC Editor offers a choice of - Customer Edge (CE) or - Control Element (CE) or - Congestion Experienced (CE) Tom Petch Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:44 AM > To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slice- > definition-00 > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > I would be happy to use CE and PE. I would also be happy to use completely > different words. The current diagram and terminology makes this very > confusing, and leads to problems. > > Yours, > Joel > > On 2/16/2021 11:39 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > > Re-, > > > > Please see inline. > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Joel M. > >> Halpern > >> Envoyé : mardi 16 février 2021 17:12 > >> À : teas@ietf.org > >> Objet : Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-teas-ietf- > >> network-slice-definition-00 > >> > >> The document is not about the request from the external customer (the > >> request for the end-to-end network slice). It is about the request > >> from other orchestration systems to the IETF Network Slice management > >> systems. > > > > [Med] ... which is still behaving as the customer role. > > > > Yes, those systems need to know where they intent to > >> utilize the IETF network slice. But the IETF network slice does not > >> need to know about that. > > > > [Med] This is what I fail to see. The orchestrator has an internal vision that is > not available to the entity asking for a slice. These nodes are not even known to > the "other orchestration systems" when asking for a slice. > > > >> > >> In particular, when we get to talking about configuring the IETF > >> Network Slice properties, the edge (ingress) that the IETF Network > >> Slice controller controls (and corresponding egress) is what needs to > >> be provisioned. > > > > [Med] Agree, but that is a distinct phase. > > > > BTW, ingress/egress are as a function of the traffic direction. A node (PE) may > behave as both ingress and egress for the same slice. > > > >> It is possible that on the egress side there needs to be information > >> about how to deliver the traffic externally. > > > > [Med] Agree. That node does not need to be visible (known in advance) to the > entity that will consume the corresponding slice. > > > > But that would not be > >> in terms of end-points since from the perspective of the IETF Network > >> Slice, on the egress that is not an endpoint of anything. > > > > [Med] I agree that "endpoint" is confusing. "Customer Node/Edge" vs > "Provider Edge" are my favorite here. > > > >> > >> Yours, > >> Joel > >> > >> On 2/16/2021 11:05 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > >>> Hi Joel, > >>> > >>> I disagree with this note. I do think that both flavors of > >> "endpoint" should be included in the draft. > >>> > >>> >From the customer standpoint, a slice request cannot be > >> characterized by elements not visible to the customer. The scope of a > >> requested slice can only be characterized between nodes that are > >> known to the requestor. This is usually called, CE. > >>> > >>> The mapping between a CE and a network device (typically, a PE) is > >> a process that is internal to the slice provider. > >>> > >>> The CE-PE link cannot be systematically excluded as some specific > >> behaviors may need to be enforced in the CE-PE link. Think about a > >> slice that is implemented by means of a PE-based VPN and which > >> requires some specific routing + QoS policies at the CE-PE link. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Med > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > _____ > > ___________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message > > par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces > jointes. 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- [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-teas-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Uma Chunduri
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Uma Chunduri
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… tom petch
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Daniele Ceccarelli
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Kiran Makhijani
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Eric Gray
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Luis M. Contreras
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Luis M. Contreras
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Young Lee
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Young Lee
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Shunsuke Homma
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Shunsuke Homma
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Ogaki, Kenichi
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Shunsuke Homma
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Shunsuke Homma
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Shunsuke Homma
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Shunsuke Homma
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Tarek Saad
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Tarek Saad
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Tarek Saad
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… Krzysztof Szarkowicz
- Re: [Teas] network Slice Endpoint in draft-ietf-t… mohamed.boucadair