Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed survey on I-D authoring tools)
Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> Mon, 05 October 2020 19:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed survey on I-D authoring tools)
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> On 6/10/2020, at 2:44 AM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote: > > > On the questions about what people use, I think it would be good to be clear that we want to know what they use for drafts they are doing now. For example. they may have used nroff lots a long time ago but don’t use it now. I’ve switched all the questions to the present tense "How often do you use …". I could add "currently" "How often do you currently use …" ? > > I think the word “invest” in the "Should the IETF invest in a new, modern toolchain for authoring drafts?” is very loaded. Many people will interpret that is create something specific for IETF. I think “move to” might be a better word than invest./ That’s a good point. We don’t want any views on IETF finances to sway the answer to this question. Jay > > > >> On Oct 5, 2020, at 5:23 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote: >> >> Am 01.10.2020 um 19:09 schrieb Jay Daley: >>> The updated survey is below. Please note that >>> >>> - this doesn’t show the links >>> - I am still not sure how to point people to their Datatracker stats page >>> - the flow logic may change when the survey is tested. >>> >>> Further feedback is most welcome. >>> >>> Jay >>> ... >> >> Sorry for late feedback :-) >> >> This is good, thanks! >> >> The one missing thing I currently can think of is an option to provide >> information about other tools in use to either *generate* source, or to >> validate it. >> >> For instance: >> >> - automatic *extraction* of sourcecode (such as ABNF) with the goal of >> validation (and maybe re-inserting into an appendix) >> - automatic *insertion* of source code >> - automatic generation of document parts (such as reference tables) >> - preprocessors that extend the XML vocabulary and generate "plain" xml2rfc >> - use of SVG tools (or reasons why they are not used) >> - tools that read a textual description and generate artwork from it >> (like sequence diagrams) >> - tools that check references (such as to RFCs and IDs, and to catch >> dangling "deep" links, such as when a section number in the referenced >> document changed) >> >> Best regards, Julian >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org >> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at >> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues >> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org > bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues > or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org
- [Tools-discuss] Proposed survey on I-D authoring … Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Dan York
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposed survey on I-D author… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Proposed survey on I-D author… worley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Loa Andersson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed sur… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Ronald Tse
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
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- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Ronald Tse
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] Proposed survey on I-… Ronald Tse
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Updated survey (was: Proposed… Jay Daley