Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix and zulip
Matthew Hodgson <matthew@matrix.org> Thu, 01 October 2020 23:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix and zulip
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On 01/10/2020 16:47, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2020-10-01, at 16:25, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote: >> matrix-trial1.ietf.org. > OMG what is that riot-bot and why does it have to bother me with loud fake music. Apologies: this was a config error - riot-bot is an old and clunky "welcome bot" that we retired months ago, but apparently the sample config for Element is stale and so it got accidentally pulled into this trial deployment. The config is now fixed. In other news, I'm the project lead for Matrix and we're super excited that IETF is trialling a deployment. Folks at IETF-101 in London might dimly remember me doing a lightning talk to explain the project's mission, which is to provide an open standard for decentralised pubsub, with E2EE and decentralised message history. It's like a more realtime version of NNTP, with open federation, freeform data, E2EE and byzantine fault tolerance. The protocol currently evolves using an open governance model under the aegis of The Matrix.org Foundation (a UK non-profit; https://matrix.org/foundation); with the spec itself living at https://matrix.org/docs/spec and the various proposed spec changes in flight at https://matrix.org/docs/spec/proposals. Once the biggest remaining bits of Matrix are resolved (hierarchical groups, threads, extensible profiles and extensible messages) then we hope to snapshot the standard for the longterm within a dedicated independent standards body such as IETF, assuming interest. Matrix itself is a global open network of about 22M users spread over >50K instances, ranging from the French govt to Mozilla, Wikimedia, KDE and countless smaller/personal servers. We're also in the process of natively bridging Gitter into the network (https://matrix.org/blog/2020/09/30/welcoming-gitter-to-matrix). Finally, in terms of clients: https://matrix-trial1.ietf.org is an instance of Element Web (a flagship client we build as https://element.io, the startup the Matrix core team formed in order to fund Matrix) - but there are *many* alternative excellent Matrix clients out there if Element isn't to your taste, e.g. weechat-matrix for TUI, or the incredibly light-weight Hydrogen client (alpha at https://hydrogen.element.io). We'd love for the trial to be successful, and are very happy to tweak/fix/build things based on any feedback folks have. For instance, the a11y support in Element is entirely thanks to Mozilla's feedback. The whole project is open source (Apache licensed) and we also very gladly accept contributions (e.g. all the i18n in Element was a community contribution). There's currently some major work going on with improved groups, notifications and threading which hasn't landed in mainline Element, so if we need to hustle to get that merged so you can play with it please yell loudly and let us know. I'll be hanging around in #trial1-feedback:matrix-trial1.ietf.org to answer any feedback, or you can find me at @matthew:matrix.org. thanks, Matthew -- Matthew Hodgson Matrix.org
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Adam Roach
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Adam Roach
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Johanna S
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Glen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Glen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Kim Alvefur
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Glen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Wild
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Wild
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Wild
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Ted Lemon