Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix and zulip
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 01 October 2020 15:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix and zulip
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It might be more effective to trial them sequentially rather than in parallel. > On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:33, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote: > > We are deploying trials of the matrix and zulip chat services to gain > operational experience and get community feedback about how well these > services meet the need for IETF related chat. > > We have clear evidence from the IETF 107 post-meeting survey > (https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ietf-107-survey-results.pdf) that many > IETF participants find jabber a significant problem. This is partly due to > difficulties in finding a free jabber service and partly due to client issues. > There are two paths to try to resolve these problems, one is to improve the > IETF jabber service and the other is to switch to an alternative groupchat > solution. The community has already taken a step on the latter path with the > introduction of an IETF Slack space, and we want to ensure that this path is > properly explored by widening the range of options to well established > free/open source tools. > > The installs currently have almost no local configuration or customization. > Over the next few weeks, we will be exploring reconfiguring them to use > datatracker credentials for sign-in, and explore bridging between these > systems, Slack, and Jabber. One consequence of these explorations is that there > will likely be times, outside of meetings, when accounts will be disrupted or > even removed and will have to be recreated. Initially, we suggest you use an > email address for the username on each service. > > We considered running these trials using instances run by the Zulip or Matrix > communities. We went with instances operated by the secretariat to learn what > would be needed if the community felt self-hosting chat was important in the > long-term. > > The services can be found at matrix-trial1.ietf.org and zulip-trial1.ietf.org. > > Any matrix client can be used with the trial matrix server. There is also > a web client available at at matrix-trial1.ietf.org. > > Similarly any zulip client can be used with the trial zulip server, which > has a built in web interface. > > We would like feedback on how well each client meets chat needs during > meetings, both the full online IETF 109 meeting, iterims, adhocs, and hallway > conversations. > > Around December, we will assess our experiences and the feedback received to > inform what chat services we provide in the future and how we will operate > them. In January, these trial instances will be taken down. We do not intend to > preserve or migrate any account configuration or chat history from the trial > instances as we move forward. > > This does add to the potentially confusing large number of places conversation > might take place. We hope to address that with some level of bridging, at least > with Jabber, but have been cautioned by the respective development communities > that bridging between Zulip and Matrix is unsatisfying since the conversation > models in the two applications are so different. > > The chat services are intended to be explorational and informal. However, > please treat them as contexts where contribution rules apply (See > https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/). > > We are not, at this time, planning to host jabber accounts. We may revisit that > as an option as we continue to gather more feedback. > > Please send feedback on the services to tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Adam Roach
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Adam Roach
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Johanna S
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Glen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Glen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Kim Alvefur
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Hodgson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Glen
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Tom Pusateri
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Jay Daley
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Wild
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Wild
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Matthew Wild
- Re: [Tools-discuss] Trial chat services: matrix a… Ted Lemon