Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-ip-01 a WG document?
James Carlson <carlsonj@workingcode.com> Mon, 14 May 2012 14:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-ip-01 a WG document?
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Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir) wrote: > That sounds a bit backwards to me. > > [Answer] Doing small piecemeal work, is not the right approach. We might agree on that point, but it's not the question at hand. The question at hand is whether to adopt a draft. > The document is clearly in scope of the working group, and I believe the > only other question regarding adoption is whether the wg wants (and the > authors want) to steer the document by the working group consensus > process. > > [Answer] Good point, I re-read the charter one more time and there is no > where it says TRILL over IP or other encapsulation, so it seems the > document is not in charter. Please could you point to the WG, which line > item in charter that qualifies this work to be in scope ? > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/trill/charter/ Sure: "This includes a MIB module and other pieces needed for operations, but also additional ways to extend and optimize TRILL for the properties of the networks on which it is deployed." This seems to me to be an additional way to extend TRILL for the property of a network -- specifically, an IP network. Granted, I'm not thrilled about the idea of adding a new means to reach mutual encapsulation. I assume the authors have a good reason to do this, and have interesting ideas on how and why it should be done. The important point is that I think this working group is the best possible forum to air those ideas. > [Answer] IETF tradition has been to start with a problem space and > create a common solution not making every draft that is in scope of > charter a WG document. Your point on "too many solutions" exactly that > is my point having subset of solutions finally leads to too many small > pieces. Some efforts do indeed follow that simple linear path -- idea, BOF, charter, WG, publication. But that's certainly not the only path, nor perhaps even the most common. Adoption by an existing WG of new in-scope documents is something that I view as crucially important to continued WG viability. Without it, protocols just grow like weeds as new extensions are otherwise developed, deployed, and documented without the help of WG consensus using the individual-submission RFC publication track. Failing to adopt does not foreclose publication of an RFC describing this extension, nor any other work by the authors. It simply disconnects the WG from the process. Sending TRILL over IP off to the individual-submission world without WG input would, I think, be a poor result of this exercise. I've been through that problem as PPPEXT chair, and it's no fun. -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W <carlsonj@workingcode.com>
- [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-ip-01… Erik Nordmark
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Radia Perlman
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Eric Gray
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Thomas Narten
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Thomas Narten
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Ralph Droms
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Ralph Droms
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Russ White