Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-ip-01 a WG document?
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Mon, 14 May 2012 17:12 UTC
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Cc: "Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)" <tsenevir@cisco.com>, Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org>, trill@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-ip-01 a WG document?
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On 5/14/2012 10:03 AM, James Carlson wrote: > Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir) wrote: >> [Answer] Each WG status document is intended to be considered to be a >> future RFC. They are not mere numbers or academic papers. ... > We clearly disagree in fundamental ways on how the process works. I had > thought that BCP 25 made it clear that I-Ds have no standards status > whatsoever, and that advancement of wg documents (if it happens, not > when) requires both group consensus and IESG review. WG adoption does > not in any way confer RFC status upon a draft. This is discussed in Sec 5.3 of the Tao of the IETF. > And, yes, I do think the bar for entry into discussion should be quite > low. A draft discussing a new HTML status code probably doesn't belong > here. But something discussing TRILL extensions clearly does, even if > it's something that the group hadn't collectively "planned" on discussing. WG status does not have any impact on whether the draft is discussed. I agree with Tissa - IMO, the WG should adopt drafts it reasonably agrees it wants to issue as WG RFCs. WG adoption doesn't confer particular status, but it is a suggestion to the WG as to where critical resources should be spent (e.g., resolving WG docs before considering independent ones, when resources are critical). Joe
- [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-ip-01… Erik Nordmark
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… James Carlson
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Joe Touch
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Radia Perlman
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Eric Gray
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Sam Aldrin
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Tissa Senevirathne (tsenevir)
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Thomas Narten
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Thomas Narten
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Ralph Droms
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Ralph Droms
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [trill] Should we make draft-mrw-trill-over-i… Russ White