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Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host-07.txt

james woodyatt <jhw@google.com> Mon, 07 August 2017 18:20 UTC

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On Aug 5, 2017, at 20:21, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
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> […] If there's a problem, it's not in the area of a shortfall of /128s.

This is where I point out that diamonds, unlike grains of sand, are just sufficiently uncommon that monopoly power admits the inducement of artificial scarcity to inflate market prices. 

> If there's a shortfall of /64s, it's human error.


There is more to the analogy than meets the eye, i.e. the error may be one of political and economic philosophy, and not a technical one, and moreover, the analogy may break down around the ways that numbers are not the same as stones. After all, if the point of the game is to create an artificial scarcity of numbers, what difference does it make where you put the prefix boundary in the process? You can set it anywhere you like and achieve the same effect.


--james woodyatt <jhw@google.com <mailto:jhw@google.com>>

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