Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management for IETF 115 London

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

Phil:

I 100% support to put more focus on comprehension.

I also agree that remote meetings should allow to spend more time on comprehension.
But so far they are not necessarily structured to achieve that goal, because
everything is planned to have minimum time impact on everybody's schedule, so
no supposed "idle" time where more comprehension would be possible.

In addition, i have an even more fundamental issue with many technologies
in RFCs being published without enough comprehension written into them.
Especially in RTG. I often have a harder time catching up there with new technologies
than in many technologies in other areas where i had to browse RFCs.

There is often good comprehension material in presentations, especially
well built pictures that would be a great basis for more comprehension sections
in RFC (with appropriate text added) - if it was just permitted to include color
bitmap rendering of such pictures into RFCs instead of redoing all such work with
non-existing tool-chains to fit the strange XMLv3 standards we now have.

Cheers
    Toerles

On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 11:16:08PM -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 6:42 PM Randy Bush <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> > > Or maybe… the IETF should learn from its mistakes, realize that
> > > putting people’s health at risk is simply not worth it, and revert to
> > > a purely virtual meeting.
> >
> > i have sympathy for this, and certainly will not attend in person.  but,
> > as long as remote participation is not disadvantaged, if a bunch of folk
> > want to risk running off the earth's edge, i have better things to do
> > than trying to stop them.
> >
> > as long as remote participation is not disadvantaged:
> >
> 
> I am also sympathetic. But there are some things that simply don't work the
> same remotely. Persuading people to take a look at new work simply isn't
> the same remotely.
> 
> Another problem is that the WG meetings are ridiculously short meaning that
> presentations are compressed, sometimes to the point of
> incomprehensibility. The hallway conversations are not just about work,
> they are about comprehension. Having the compressed version in the WG is
> not so bad if the people who are confused can go query the speaker
> afterwards. If they were remote, things can go badly...
> 
> 
> Now to be fair, my proposed solution to this is a remote interim. But all
> remote is a different thing to a hybrid.
> 
> I still think the solution should be to cut the number of in person
> meetings per year to one and do virtual interims.

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