Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management for IETF 115 London

[Behcet Sarikaya <[e-mail]>]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 5:41 PM Ted Lemon <[e-mail]> wrote:

> It’s also worth noting that when I am at home, I have a great deal of
> control over the risks I take. When I’m at IETF, I’m at the mercy of the
> IETF’s mitigation strategy. For some, that strategy will seem like more
> than what they do at home. For others, perhaps less.
>
> A better question might be, how many people who would attend the meeting
> were the policy different, as compared to how many attend it with the
> current policy.
>
> If we think in person attendance is beneficial, this is really the only
> question that matters. If we don’t think it’s important, we should go back
> to online-only.
>
>

Folks,

Online-only will not happen.

Let's stop discussing that.


Behcet


> On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 18:35 Joel Halpern <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> That comparison seems a reasonable question.
>>
>> I am not a statistician or an epidemiologist, so I may have gotten the
>> comparatives wrong.
>>
>> Looking at the data for Pennsylvania as reported by the New York Times,
>> they report for a week 25 cases per 100,000 people.  The highest County
>> reports 60 cases per 100,000.  Rounding our rate to 2.5 percent, and our
>> attendance to 500 just to keep things simple, our experience would be a
>> rate of 500 cases per 100,000 people per week.  So yes, attending the IETF
>> meeting does seem to be related to a significant increase in risk even with
>> the rules we had in place.
>>
>> If I have misunderstood the data, I hope  someone who knows more will
>> correct me.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Joel
>> On 8/15/2022 3:39 PM, Margaret Cullen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Do we have any idea how the percentage of IETF attendees infected with
>> COVID during the IETF week compares to the percentage who would have been
>> infected if they stayed home?
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Mike Bishop <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> And this, in my opinion, is the primary goal. It is a useful secondary
>> goal to minimize excess exposure to CoVID among participants relative to
>> the exposure we would have had without an IETF meeting. But the primary
>> goal of the IETF's precautions is to ensure enough attendees are willing to
>> take the risk of coming to ensure a successful meeting.
>>
>> The recommendations as stated strike an excellent balance between
>> comforting the nervous, reducing transmission where possible, and
>> minimizing burden on attendees.
>>
>> Sent from Nine <http://www.9folders.com/>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Eric Orth <ericorth=[e-mail]>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2022 2:25 PM
>> *To:* [e-mail]
>> *Subject:* Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management
>> for IETF 115 London
>>
>> Scientifically beneficial or not (I'm not going to get into that debate),
>> the proposals Jay has outlined would go a long way towards making me feel
>> comfortable attending an international conference, so I support those
>> proposals.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 5:03 PM Yaron Sheffer <[e-mail]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to Marc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *114attendees <[e-mail]> on behalf of Marc
>>> Petit-Huguenin <[e-mail]>
>>> *Date: *Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 0:00
>>> *To: *Ross Finlayson <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] <
>>> [e-mail]>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [114attendees] [114all] Consultation on COVID management
>>> for IETF 115 London
>>>
>>> We should do better than that.  Except for the couple of first days of
>>> IETF 114, the policy was stronger than what was recommended locally and
>>> that's the reason why I will go to London.  FTR I support everything Jay
>>> proposed.
>>>
>>> On 8/12/22 13:34, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> > I think that the IETF (and IETFers) should avoid straying into areas
>>> outside their areas of expertise, and just follow whatever policy is
>>> recommended by the locality where each meeting is held.
>>> >
>>> >        Ross.
>>> >
>>>
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