Re: [arch-d] FYI: "ISOC" "New IP" "discussion" "paper"

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Wed, 29 April 2020 17:38 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] FYI: "ISOC" "New IP" "discussion" "paper"
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:56:56PM -0400, John Levine wrote:
> >- Even though the the appended email claims that this was widely cross-posted,
> >  i did NOT see it in any of the many IETF mailing lists i am subscribed to.
> 
> To point out the obvious, there are a lot of mailing lists in the world other
> than the IETF's.

;-) Not on the planet i live on.
Kidding aside, my remark was primarily an explanation for forwarding to this list.

> >- I could not find any actual public place (mailing list) for an open
> >  discussion about he topic of the paper:
> 
> There has been some discussion on the internet policy list.
>
> >- internetpolicy@elists.isoc.org does not allow Global ISOC members to
> >  join by themselves, ...
> 
> That is false, although the cruddy software interface does not make it easy
> to figure out how to subscribe.
>
> * start at isoc.org, click Member login at the top, and log in with your member credentials
> 
> * click Edit my Profile near the upper center of the window
> 
> * click the Preferences tab
> 
> * in EMAIL CONSENT AND GENERAL CHANNELS click the Edit button
> 
> * It should pop up a box in which you can check the lists you would
> like to subscribe to, with the Internet Policy list at the bottom.
> Check the box, also Receive Emails at the top, then Save.

Indeed. Thanks a lot. I was mislead by the instructions here:

https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/internetpolicy

And this one here doesn't accept isoc username/password:

https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/internetpolicy

Maybe fix up those.

Also it would be good if those isoc lists could be listed here

https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo

even if that listing would just have to point to an info page
including the instructions you gave above.

> You do not have to tell me that this is the worst mailing list
> subscription interface on the face of the planet.  We know.

Nah, it's ok. Just the maze of URLS attempting you not to
find the right place is in need of improvement.

> Unfortunately it is part of a larger member management system and
> fixing this bit is annoyingly hard.

For someone coming from the IETF side and knowing mailman,
fixing up the mailman URLs above to show your correct
instructions should be all thats needed. No need to change
that member management backend.

Thanks for helping!

Cheers
    Toerless