Re: [dmarc-ietf] p=quarantine

[Laura Atkins <[e-mail]>]

> On 14 Dec 2020, at 15:10, Dave Crocker <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> On 12/12/2020 10:51 AM, John R Levine wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>>> p=reject: all mail sent from this domain should be aligned in a DMARC
>>>> compliant way. We believe that unaligned mail is from unauthorized
>>>> senders so we ask receivers to reject it, even though that might mean
>>>> some of our authorized senders' mail is rejected too.
>>> 
>>> As soon as this specification text, here, contains language about how this information is to be used, should be used, or could be used, it crosses over into creating confusion about expectations of receiver handling.
>> 
>> I agree with you, which is why I said "believe" and "request".
> 
> Except that that runs contrary to my point, rather than being compatible with it.
> 
> Any an all discussion of receiver /use/ of DMARC needs to be moved to a separate section and it needs to refrain from any linguistic form that characterizes
> that use as being in response to domain owner desires.

‘As a matter of policy we treat all unaligned mail as unauthorized use of our domain.’ 

I am agnostic about moving the ‘what to do’ section. I think it makes sense to keep the sender definitions and the ways receivers can interpret those declarations close together. 

>> If we're going to have any description of p=none at all it needs to emphasize the point that it's telling you that they consider the messages unusually unimportant.  This appears to be at odds with what some DMARC users believe.
> 
> It isn't about the 'importance' of the messages.  It is about the domain owner's view of the implication of the success or failure of DMARC validation.

The current p=reject is that the domain owner’s view is that the mail is unauthorized. And, according to discussion here on the IETF list, we are to presume that every domain owner knows exactly what they are doing and that every company understands the implications of a p=reject policy statement. 

laura 

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