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Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-use-tld

Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> Tue, 16 June 2020 01:21 UTC

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 02:21:26 +0100
From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
To: Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-use-tld
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Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 2020, at 18:46, Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:
>
> > The intro to this draft talks about things like x- which has been
> > deprecated since RFC 6648. It mentions some situationw where .test or
> > ..invalid would seem to be the right things to use, but it doesn't say why
> > not. It lists a bunch of TLDs that are being squatted by devices that
> > ought to move to home.arpa instead, but doesn't say why we have given up
> > on that idea after only a couple of years, or why we should expect them to
> > move to ISO 3166 reserved codes when they haven't moved to home.arpa.
>
> I don't remember any text in the document that talked about people
> changing what they are doing.

Yes, that's why I pointed it out. The intro fairly explicitly says it's a
replacement for .lan (etc.), but that raises questions about how this
draft relates to other efforts to fix the .lan problem. I think people
will read this draft as saying, don't do that home.arpa thing, don't do
that .lan thing, do this.

> Personally, I think the right advice for most people is that if you must
> use private namespace you should anchor it at a domain name in the
> global namespace that you control, so that your namespace is both
> private and unique. Someone should write that document. I'll help, if
> someone is interested.

I agree that is the right advice.

> But draft-arends-pitchfork-pitchfork-burn-the-witch doesn't provide that
> kind of general advice; it provides specific advice for the case where
> people have decided that a TLD is definitely needed by pointing out that

Can't we continue to point out that they are wrong and there are better
ways of solving their problems?

I also appreciate that this draft is very clever, but speaking as an IOCCC
winner, very clever things can also be things you should never do in
production.

Tony.
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