Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-use-tld
Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> Thu, 18 June 2020 17:59 UTC
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From: Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-use-tld
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On Jun 18, 2020, at 19:22, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: > What I’m getting at is that the secure denial of existence will mean that a DNSSEC-aware resolver, when asked to look up a name under .xa, for example, will always return NXDOMAIN. I think we're speculating about behaviour in software that has not yet been written, software that will have a natural requirement to deal with the environment it finds itself deployed in. But it also occurs to me that if we agree that the great root zone KSK roll melodrama illustrated that we have a root zone trust anchor distribution problem, it's not much of a stretch to generalise that statement and say that we have a trust anchor distribution problem. The root zone and private-use internal zones that anchor private namespaces might all benefit from a robust trust anchor distribution strategy. If validators have the ability to be configured elegantly with all the trust anchors they need without the attention of a knowledgeable administrator (as a validating stub resolver might need with the root zone trust anchor) we might find that the DNSSEC concerns that led to horrors like home.arpa all disappear. Joe
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Shumon Huque
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-u… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Dmitry Belyavsky
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Erwin Lansing
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Jaap Akkerhuis
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Geoff Huston
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Dr Eberhard W Lisse
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-arends… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… S Moonesamy
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Rubens Kuhl
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-arends… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Geoff Huston
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Christian Huitema
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Mats Dufberg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Mats Dufberg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Dr Eberhard W Lisse
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Robert Mortimer
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Vladimír Čunát
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-priva… Roy Arends