Re: [DNSOP] Public Suffix List - Please move discussion to dnsop

Gervase Markham <gerv@mozilla.org> Wed, 11 June 2008 15:18 UTC

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Edward Lewis wrote:
> Is the issue that a cookie needs to state for what domains it is 
> valid?  

No.

> Are you trying to relate domain names to a registrant? 

No.

I must confess it is somewhat frustrating when, having put up a website
explaining what this is all about, and having had a long discussion on
this list, people continually misunderstand the point while having shown
no evidence of attempting to read the existing explanations.

I even got one (private) mail basically saying "I can't be bothered to
read all that. Tell me, what are you trying to do?"

http://publicsuffix/learn/ has more info (and I've just checked in
another update, which should be visible in the next day or so. There's a
human in the update loop).

Gerv
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Edward Lewis wrote:
> Is the issue that a cookie needs to state for what domains it is 
> valid?  

No.

> Are you trying to relate domain names to a registrant? 

No.

I must confess it is somewhat frustrating when, having put up a website
explaining what this is all about, and having had a long discussion on
this list, people continually misunderstand the point while having shown
no evidence of attempting to read the existing explanations.

I even got one (private) mail basically saying "I can't be bothered to
read all that. Tell me, what are you trying to do?"

http://publicsuffix/learn/ has more info (and I've just checked in
another update, which should be visible in the next day or so. There's a
human in the update loop).

Gerv
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