Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@commandprompt.com> Fri, 04 April 2008 17:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs
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I agree almost completely (and that "almost" is only there to cover me in case I think of an objection later) with what Bill Manning said. But I'm particularly concerned about this: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 08:46:21AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: > A self-correcting problem. The folks that are affected are the ones > using the non-updated server and no one else. The problem is that those folks are _exactly_ the people who don't understand any of this Internet plumbing anyway. All they know is, "This thing isn't working," or, "The Internet is down," or something similar. The idea that they're going to put pressure on someone to fix it entails a great deal of optimism about what naive users might know about how the Internet functions and who can solve their problems. I think I should have put this another way than "cure worse than the disease." I agree that having lots of dispersed copies of the root with at best very loosely coupled management of those copies would solve the disease we have. But this seems to me like solving the problem of yellow fever by comFrom dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Fri Apr 4 10:08:16 2008 Return-Path: <dnsop-bounces@ietf.org> X-Original-To: dnsop-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsop-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2998D28C1FC; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:08:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnsop@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4CC3A697F for <dnsop@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:08:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.735 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.735 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yNmBQBU-yQEk for <dnsop@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-159.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.159]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29843A6CA1 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from commandprompt.com (227-54-222-209.mycybernet.net [209.222.54.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m34H8qab011252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:08:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:08:16 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@commandprompt.com> To: dnsop@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080404170815.GN1184@commandprompt.com> References: <20080404025908.GA6781@vacation.karoshi.com.> <200804040316.m343GWNE061906@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20080404140210.GJ1184@commandprompt.com> <34168149-621F-497C-BCE7-01F68F1B2889@virtualized.org> <20080404151957.GK1184@commandprompt.com> <20080404153014.GE93750@registro.br> <F9E9D463-E25F-4BC3-ABB5-7EEB7961B30F@virtualized.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <F9E9D463-E25F-4BC3-ABB5-7EEB7961B30F@virtualized.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (lists.commandprompt.com [207.173.203.159]); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/pipermail/dnsop> List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dnsop-bounces@ietf.org I agree almost completely (and that "almost" is only there to cover me in case I think of an objection later) with what Bill Manning said. But I'm particularly concerned about this: On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 08:46:21AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: > A self-correcting problem. The folks that are affected are the ones > using the non-updated server and no one else. The problem is that those folks are _exactly_ the people who don't understand any of this Internet plumbing anyway. All they know is, "This thing isn't working," or, "The Internet is down," or something similar. The idea that they're going to put pressure on someone to fix it entails a great deal of optimism about what naive users might know about how the Internet functions and who can solve their problems. I think I should have put this another way than "cure worse than the disease." I agree that having lots of dispersed copies of the root with at best very loosely coupled management of those copies would solve the disease we have. But this seems to me like solving the problem of yellow fever by complpletely draining all the swamplands of the world: it may be great for the humans, but it's pretty lousy if you're one of the animals that lives in the swamp. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@commandprompt.com +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/ _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop etely draining all the swamplands of the world: it may be great for the humans, but it's pretty lousy if you're one of the animals that lives in the swamp. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@commandprompt.com +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/ _______________________________________________ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
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- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs John Crain
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs John Crain
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs John Crain
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- [DNSOP] Re: L-Root address change (Was: AS112 for… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … bert hubert
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: L-Root address change (Was: AS112… Ralf Weber
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … Matt Larson
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … bmanning
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … bert hubert
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … bmanning
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … bert hubert
- Re: B-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … bmanning
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … Joe Baptista
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … Joe Baptista
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … John Crain
- Re: L-Root address change [Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for … Joe Baptista
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- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Phil Regnauld
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Masataka Ohta
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Elmar K. Bins
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- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs William F. Maton Sotomayor
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- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs William F. Maton Sotomayor
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Mohsen Souissi
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs William F. Maton Sotomayor
- [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
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- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
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- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Florian Weimer
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- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Andrew Sullivan
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- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Frederico A C Neves
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs bmanning
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs John L. Crain
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs bmanning
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Florian Weimer
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Dean Anderson
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Joe Baptista
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Jaap Akkerhuis
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Dean Anderson
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Peter Koch
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs William F. Maton Sotomayor
- Re: [DNSOP] AS112 for TLDs Paul Vixie
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