Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs

Mark Andrews <Mark_Andrews@isc.org> Wed, 05 December 2007 17:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Re: AS112 for TLDs
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> Mark Andrews wrote:
> 
> >>Actually no.  That is not correct.  I did some experimentation using 
> >>BIND 8 and 9 as root servers.  BIND 8 does not support
> >>
> >>*. CNAME some.host.name.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >	Actually all versions of BIND support "* CNAME".
> >  
> >
> Sorry - your right - its DNAME it does not do.
> 
> > 
> >  
> >
> >>But BIND 9 does.
> >>
> >>I know it sounds terrible to you but I think the RFC is flexible on 
> >>that.  Your the expert - you look into it.  So it would be so nice if I 
> >>could under BIND 9 do:
> >>
> >>*. NS some.host.name.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >	Wildcard matching has the wrong semantics (1 vs many labels)
> >	for NS records.  Even if the semantics where addressed you
> >	then have to set up nameservers to do wildcard processing
> >	while looking for the relevent zone.  This implies having
> >	a copy of the parent zone so you can know what query names
> >	don't match the wildcard.
> >  
> >
> Ya I know.  Thats the whole point behind what i'm advocating for AS112.  
> Those are the servers I would wildcard too.  At least i would like to 
> run the experiment.  I have found some servers that do *. NS - or so i'm 
> told by their support tech community.  But not BIND.  BIND should be 
> flexible and allow that.

	It's been done.  IT DOES NOT WORK.  named has code to prevent
	the records being added because IT DOES NOT WORK and we got
	sick and tired of telling people who ran up against sites
	that did it that IT DOES NOT WORK.  It's better to prevent than
	to spend repeated amounts of time dealing with the repercussions.

	It's easy to remove the checks but then you need to make sure
	all clients will work with the resultant mess.

	Wildcard is defined for intra-zone use.  It is not defined
	for extra-zone use.

	Mark
 
> regards
> joe baptista
> 
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