Re: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks. A first question

Jose, All,

So from the different replies and also from what I envision - this is
what I get -

1/Community networks are formed because the traditional network
operator has failed to provide coverage through equipment deployment
and/or failed to provide affordable services to a community.

2/The community now takes matter into its own hands - joins together
to form an entity "or" there could be another entity that is keen to
support the community stepping into help and support - so this is not
the traditional NO - but someone like the local govt, charitable
organisation or a local business. The latter entity may have some
benefit: social, economical, environmental et al.

So my question here is would the latter be classified as a community
network or something else.

>From what I see from Paul's reply, the latter will not be classified
as a community network since the local community do have any form of
control there.

BUT - I also see from Steve and Rohan's reply and Paul also agrees
that we should not discount "for-profit" initiatives which means the
local community may not have any control in such an entity.

So from all this the way I decipher the message that we need to be
more inclusive:

Community networks are networks that are

1/decentralised and formed because the traditional network operator
has failed to provide coverage through equipment deployment and/or
failed to provide affordable services to a community.
2/locally owned within the community with community members directly
contributing to active network infrastructure to extend then network
and having some form of organisational control
3/Or owned by an entity that is not the traditional network operator
that has specific interests in supporting the community either for
profit or non-profit
4/Can be both wired and/or wireless.

Does that sound right? I am not sure what Leandro thinks of point (3) :).

Arjuna

On 18 June 2014 15:25, Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have a first question. We had some doubts about this: should we include in the draft Networks in which Wi-Fi is shared by individuals, but they are in fact managed by a company (e.g. FON)?
>
>> >    There exist other networks, also based on sharing wireless resources
>> >    of the users, but not built upon the initiative of the users
>> >    themselves, nor owned by them.  The characterization of these
>> >    networks is not the objective of this document.
>
> As you may see, in the current version they are not included, but we have some doubts...
>
> Jose
>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] En nombre de Jose Saldana
>> Enviado el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:21
>> Para: gaia@irtf.org
>> Asunto: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After some weeks, we have been able to build an Internet Draft about Community
>> Networks. At this stage we would like to hear the feedback from people in the list.
>>
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks/
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jose
>>
>>
>> > -----Mensaje original-----
>> > De: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] Enviado
>> > el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:18
>> > Para: Carlos Rey-Moreno; Leandro Navarro; Carlos Rey-Moreno; Andres
>> > Arcia- Moret; Marco Zennaro; Arjuna Sathiaseelan; Arjuna Sathiaseelan;
>> > Bart Braem; Leandro Navarro; Bart Braem; Jose Saldana; Ermanno
>> > Pietrosemoli; Ermanno Pietrosemoli; Jose Saldana; Marco Zennaro;
>> > Andres Arcia-Moret
>> > Asunto: New Version Notification for
>> > draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-
>> > 00.txt
>> >
>> >
>> > A new version of I-D, draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-00.txt
>> > has been successfully submitted by Jose Saldana and posted to the IETF
>> > repository.
>> >
>> > Name:               draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks
>> > Revision:   00
>> > Title:              Community Networks. Definition and taxonomy
>> > Document date:      2014-06-18
>> > Group:              Individual Submission
>> > Pages:              23
>> > URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
>> > networks-00.txt
>> > Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
>> > networks/
>> > Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-
>> 00
>> >
>> >
>> > Abstract:
>> >    Several communities have developed initiatives to build large scale,
>> >    self-organized and decentralized community wireless networks that use
>> >    wireless technologies (including long distance) due to the reduced
>> >    cost of using the unlicensed spectrum.  This can be motivated by
>> >    different causes: Sometimes the reluctance, or the impossibility, of
>> >    network operators to provide wired and cellular infrastructures to
>> >    rural/remote areas has motivated the rise of these networks.  Some
>> >    other times, they are built as a complement and an alternative to
>> >    wired Internet access.
>> >
>> >    These community wireless networks have self sustainable business
>> >    models that provide more localised communication services as well as
>> >    providing Internet backhaul support through peering agreements with
>> >    traditional network operators who see such community led networks as
>> >    a way to extend their reach to rural/remote areas at lower cost.
>> >
>> >    This document defines these networks, summarizes their technological
>> >    characteristics and classifies them, also talking about their socio-
>> >    economic sustainability models.
>> >
>> >    There exist other networks, also based on sharing wireless resources
>> >    of the users, but not built upon the initiative of the users
>> >    themselves, nor owned by them.  The characterization of these
>> >    networks is not the objective of this document.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>> > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>> >
>> > The IETF Secretariat
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