Re: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks. A first question

["Jose Saldana" <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

I think we should first discuss in the mailing list. Once we agree, you may
propose new paragraphs / sections of the draft.

And this discussion seems to be really tricky!

Jose


> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: gaia [mailto:[e-mail]] En nombre de Rute Sofia
> Enviado el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:56
> Para: Leandro Navarro; Jose Saldana
> CC: gaia
> Asunto: Re: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks. A first
question
> 
> Hello Leandro,
> 
> in order to contribute, do you prefer text over mail, or changes in the
draft?
> 
> Rute
> On 18/06/14 15:53, Leandro Navarro wrote:
> > Hi,
> > On 18 Jun 2014, at 16:25, Jose Saldana <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> We have a first question. We had some doubts about this: should we
include in
> the draft Networks in which Wi-Fi is shared by individuals, but they are
in fact
> managed by a company (e.g. FON)?
> >>
> >>>>    There exist other networks, also based on sharing wireless
resources
> >>>>    of the users, but not built upon the initiative of the users
> >>>>    themselves, nor owned by them.  The characterization of these
> >>>>    networks is not the objective of this document.
> >> As you may see, in the current version they are not included, but we
> >> have some doubts…
> > Well, for me is simple:
> >
> > 1) Community networks is mainly about expanding the network
infrastructure
> (mostly wireless, reaching places and people not covered by other models)
!=
> Internet access service + business model built on federated wifi access
points on
> existing networks (Fon or Eduroam).
> >
> > 2) There are also municipal networks that share more traits with
community
> networks (different org, level of participation, etc), but clearly:
> >   community != company (many implications).
> >
> > Related but not equal ... better use different terms and describe
separately to
> avoid increasing confusion and diluting the term “community network” too
much.
> >
> >
> > Regards, Leandro.
> >
> >> Jose
> >>
> >>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>> De: gaia [mailto:[e-mail]] En nombre de Jose Saldana
> >>> Enviado el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:21
> >>> Para: [e-mail]
> >>> Asunto: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> After some weeks, we have been able to build an Internet Draft about
> >>> Community Networks. At this stage we would like to hear the feedback
from
> people in the list.
> >>>
> >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-netwo
> >>> rks/
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jose
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>> De: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >>>> Enviado
> >>>> el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:18
> >>>> Para: Carlos Rey-Moreno; Leandro Navarro; Carlos Rey-Moreno; Andres
> >>>> Arcia- Moret; Marco Zennaro; Arjuna Sathiaseelan; Arjuna
> >>>> Sathiaseelan; Bart Braem; Leandro Navarro; Bart Braem; Jose
> >>>> Saldana; Ermanno Pietrosemoli; Ermanno Pietrosemoli; Jose Saldana;
> >>>> Marco Zennaro; Andres Arcia-Moret
> >>>> Asunto: New Version Notification for
> >>>> draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-
> >>>> 00.txt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A new version of I-D,
> >>>> draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-00.txt
> >>>> has been successfully submitted by Jose Saldana and posted to the
> >>>> IETF repository.
> >>>>
> >>>> Name:		draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks
> >>>> Revision:	00
> >>>> Title:		Community Networks. Definition and taxonomy
> >>>> Document date:	2014-06-18
> >>>> Group:		Individual Submission
> >>>> Pages:		23
> >>>> URL:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-manyfolks-gaia-
> community-
> >>>> networks-00.txt
> >>>> Status:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
> >>>> networks/
> >>>> Htmlized:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
> networks-
> >>> 00
> >>>>
> >>>> Abstract:
> >>>>    Several communities have developed initiatives to build large
scale,
> >>>>    self-organized and decentralized community wireless networks that
use
> >>>>    wireless technologies (including long distance) due to the reduced
> >>>>    cost of using the unlicensed spectrum.  This can be motivated by
> >>>>    different causes: Sometimes the reluctance, or the impossibility,
of
> >>>>    network operators to provide wired and cellular infrastructures to
> >>>>    rural/remote areas has motivated the rise of these networks.  Some
> >>>>    other times, they are built as a complement and an alternative to
> >>>>    wired Internet access.
> >>>>
> >>>>    These community wireless networks have self sustainable business
> >>>>    models that provide more localised communication services as well
as
> >>>>    providing Internet backhaul support through peering agreements
with
> >>>>    traditional network operators who see such community led networks
as
> >>>>    a way to extend their reach to rural/remote areas at lower cost.
> >>>>
> >>>>    This document defines these networks, summarizes their
technological
> >>>>    characteristics and classifies them, also talking about their
socio-
> >>>>    economic sustainability models.
> >>>>
> >>>>    There exist other networks, also based on sharing wireless
resources
> >>>>    of the users, but not built upon the initiative of the users
> >>>>    themselves, nor owned by them.  The characterization of these
> >>>>    networks is not the objective of this document.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> >>>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
tools.ietf.org.
> >>>>
> >>>> The IETF Secretariat
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