Re: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks. A first question

Hi,
On 18 Jun 2014, at 16:25, Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> We have a first question. We had some doubts about this: should we include in the draft Networks in which Wi-Fi is shared by individuals, but they are in fact managed by a company (e.g. FON)?
> 
>>>   There exist other networks, also based on sharing wireless resources
>>>   of the users, but not built upon the initiative of the users
>>>   themselves, nor owned by them.  The characterization of these
>>>   networks is not the objective of this document.
> 
> As you may see, in the current version they are not included, but we have some doubts…
Well, for me is simple: 

1) Community networks is mainly about expanding the network infrastructure (mostly wireless, reaching places and people not covered by other models)  !=  Internet access service + business model built on federated wifi access points on existing networks (Fon or Eduroam). 

2) There are also municipal networks that share more traits with community networks (different org, level of participation, etc), but clearly:
 community != company (many implications). 

Related but not equal ... better use different terms and describe separately to avoid increasing confusion and diluting the term “community network” too much.

Regards, Leandro.

> 
> Jose
> 
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] En nombre de Jose Saldana
>> Enviado el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:21
>> Para: gaia@irtf.org
>> Asunto: [gaia] An Internet Draft about Community Networks
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> After some weeks, we have been able to build an Internet Draft about Community
>> Networks. At this stage we would like to hear the feedback from people in the list.
>> 
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks/
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jose
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] Enviado
>>> el: miércoles, 18 de junio de 2014 16:18
>>> Para: Carlos Rey-Moreno; Leandro Navarro; Carlos Rey-Moreno; Andres
>>> Arcia- Moret; Marco Zennaro; Arjuna Sathiaseelan; Arjuna Sathiaseelan;
>>> Bart Braem; Leandro Navarro; Bart Braem; Jose Saldana; Ermanno
>>> Pietrosemoli; Ermanno Pietrosemoli; Jose Saldana; Marco Zennaro;
>>> Andres Arcia-Moret
>>> Asunto: New Version Notification for
>>> draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-
>>> 00.txt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A new version of I-D, draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-00.txt
>>> has been successfully submitted by Jose Saldana and posted to the IETF
>>> repository.
>>> 
>>> Name:		draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks
>>> Revision:	00
>>> Title:		Community Networks. Definition and taxonomy
>>> Document date:	2014-06-18
>>> Group:		Individual Submission
>>> Pages:		23
>>> URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
>>> networks-00.txt
>>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-
>>> networks/
>>> Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-
>> 00
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Abstract:
>>>   Several communities have developed initiatives to build large scale,
>>>   self-organized and decentralized community wireless networks that use
>>>   wireless technologies (including long distance) due to the reduced
>>>   cost of using the unlicensed spectrum.  This can be motivated by
>>>   different causes: Sometimes the reluctance, or the impossibility, of
>>>   network operators to provide wired and cellular infrastructures to
>>>   rural/remote areas has motivated the rise of these networks.  Some
>>>   other times, they are built as a complement and an alternative to
>>>   wired Internet access.
>>> 
>>>   These community wireless networks have self sustainable business
>>>   models that provide more localised communication services as well as
>>>   providing Internet backhaul support through peering agreements with
>>>   traditional network operators who see such community led networks as
>>>   a way to extend their reach to rural/remote areas at lower cost.
>>> 
>>>   This document defines these networks, summarizes their technological
>>>   characteristics and classifies them, also talking about their socio-
>>>   economic sustainability models.
>>> 
>>>   There exist other networks, also based on sharing wireless resources
>>>   of the users, but not built upon the initiative of the users
>>>   themselves, nor owned by them.  The characterization of these
>>>   networks is not the objective of this document.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>> 
>>> The IETF Secretariat
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