Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments
"Jose Saldana" <jsaldana@unizar.es> Mon, 01 February 2016 12:58 UTC
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From: Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es>
To: 'Mat Ford' <ford@isoc.org>, 'Niels ten Oever' <niels@article19.org>, draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments@ietf.org
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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 13:58:28 +0100
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Subject: Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments
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Thank you very much, Niels! We will take your comments into account in order to build an improved version of the draft. Best regards, Jose > -----Mensaje original----- > De: gaia [mailto:gaia-bounces@irtf.org] En nombre de Mat Ford > Enviado el: lunes, 01 de febrero de 2016 13:27 > Para: Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org>; draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network- > deployments@ietf.org > CC: gaia <gaia@irtf.org>; Internet Research Steering Group <irsg@irtf.org> > Asunto: Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network- > deployments > > Thanks very much for the detailed review Niels, it is valuable. > > Authors - please discuss how you would like to address these comments and let > Niels and myself know. If there is a need for further discussion, please let’s keep > that on gaia@irtf.org. > > Mat > > > On 30 Jan 2016, at 23:35, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > Please find my review of > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployment > > s-03.txt below. This is my first IRSG review, so please bear with me. > > > > I mostly followed https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5743#section-2.2 > > and academic review practices, but please let me know where I might > > have misstepped. > > > > I hope this is useful. > > > > 0. > > The topic of the draft is very relevant and timely and brings together > > many different angles that are needed to address the multidisciplinary > > nature of access, the Internet, and community owned networks. > > > > 1. > > The issue of the digital divide is approached from a 'development > > studies' paradigm (e.g. developing countries), quite some scientific > > literature has been published about this topic. Most current > > literature acknowledges that for instance term 'developing country' is > > problematic because it assumes that all countries are on a similar > > trajectory, from 'underdeveloped' to 'western'. Empirical data shows > > that this is not the case. More accurate would be to address > > differential developmental trajectories by referring to the Global > > North vs. the Global South, or using other frames. > > > > Also terms like 'Digital Divide', 'Data Revolution', 'Information > > Society' as well as the 'WSIS process' have been dissected, discussed > > and interpreted in quite a variety of ways. it might be good to engage > > with the literature on this if you would like to use these terms, and > > if so, refer to the relevant sources. > > > > Same is true for the method or model of knowledge transfer that is > > mentioned in the draft. At several places it is implied that knowledge > > travels from North to South and from Urban to Rural, which might be a > > one dimensional way of representing a quite multifaceted process of > > technology appropriation and development. > > > > In terms of methodology: you are clearly coming at this problem from a > > multidisciplinary approach. Which is great, considering the > > multidisciplinary nature of the Internet and the problem you are > > addressing. However, if you do decide to use concepts from different > > fields and disciplines (like for instance urban and rural from urban > > planning, demand and provision from economics or the digital divide > > from > > sociology) it is important to make this explicit. I would suggest > > adding a sub-section in which you explain how you built your > > multidisciplinary research method and why you use the concepts you applied. > > > > 2. > > There is a lot of doubling between abstract and introduction. I > > recommend reducing the abstract. > > > > 3. > > The discussion under point 1. and 2. is maybe not necessary for > > achieving the goal of providing a a taxonomy of alternative network > > deployments. However, Maybe the first part could be shorter. > > > > 4. > > It could perhaps be interesting to provide some additional information > > on actual alternative network deployments, perhaps by providing some > > case studies and, on the basis of these, a set of best practices / > > recommendations for specific situations. > > > > In the attached file more inline editorial comments and suggestions > > are provided. > > > > Best, > > > > Niels > > > > > > > > -- > > Niels ten Oever > > Head of Digital > > > > Article 19 > > www.article19.org > > > > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 > > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 > > > > > > Niels ten Oever > > Head of Digital > > > > Article 19 > > www.article19.org > > > > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 > > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 > > > > On 01/14/2016 12:39 PM, Mat Ford wrote: > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> The GAIA RG has successfully concluded an RG Last Call for the > >> document > >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network > >>> -deployments/ > >> > >> As document shepherd I’m now looking for someone from the IRSG to review > the document. Any volunteers? > >> > >> If no one volunteers, Lisandro Granville is top of the list: > >> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/IRSGReviewLog > >> > >> Mat > >> > > <draft-irtf-gaia-alternative-network-deployments-03 edit NtO.txt> > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
- Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gai… Mat Ford
- Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gai… Mat Ford
- Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gai… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gai… Javier Simó
- Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gai… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gai… Niels ten Oever
- [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alternati… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Aldebaro Klautau
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Santiago Ferreira
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Niels ten Oever
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Aaron Kaplan
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Aaron Kaplan
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Eggert, Lars
- Re: [gaia] [irsg] Review required: draft-irtf-gai… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Vesna Manojlovic
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… future
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… future
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-alter… Nicolás Echániz
- [gaia] Fwd: RE: Review required: draft-irtf-gaia-… future
- Re: [gaia] Fwd: RE: Review required: draft-irtf-g… Mitar
- Re: [gaia] Fwd: RE: Review required: draft-irtf-g… future
- Re: [gaia] Fwd: RE: Review required: draft-irtf-g… Mitar
- Re: [gaia] Fwd: RE: Review required: draft-irtf-g… Jose Saldana