Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03.txt

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John,

On 23/10/2022 18:37, John R Levine wrote:
> 
> Sometimes reality intrudes anyway:
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/us/financial-aid-lawsuit-colleges.html

Really? You think a set of universities will use the IETF to
progress their secret plans? Better if we stick with things
that are at least a little likely to be relevant.

S.