Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129
Job Snijders <job@instituut.net> Wed, 02 November 2016 13:03 UTC
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Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 14:03:39 +0100
From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129
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On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 12:48:34PM +0000, t.petch wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Job Snijders" <job@instituut.net> > To: "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> > Cc: "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>; "IETF IDR Working Group" > <idr@ietf.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 11:27 AM > > On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 11:37:46AM +0100, Gert Doering wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 10:32:45AM +0000, t.petch wrote: > > > > So we have a definition that has been in use for three years, in > the > > > > context of IANA, which is, to quote, > > > > " Specific entries in a registry can be marked as "obsolete" (no > longer > > > > in use) or "deprecated" (use is not recommended). " > > > > > > > > I believe that this I-D cannot be understood without reference to > that > > > > definition, hence my opposition to an I-D that leaves the > interpretation > > > > of 'deprecated' up to the reader (who may assume that the SMI > definition > > > > is appropriate). > > > > > > So what you're saying is "add a link to that reference, and all is > good"? > > > > > > Why is that interfering with draft *adoption*? Sounds more like > wordsmithing > > > for the then-WG document before WGLC to me, not a fundamental reason > to not > > > accept the draft. > > > > No, it appears that Tom is saying that IDR cannot deprecate codepoints > > until IETF/IANA have developed a deeper understanding of the word > > "deprecate". > > Job, Gert > > I think that that may go beyond what I have said. > > If draft leiba-cotton becomes an RFC soon, then a Normative Reference to > that would be my preferred option, so that IDR is on the same page as > IANA and the rest of the IETF. Note the leiba-cotton is in state IESG > Evaluation AD follow up for 163 days with Pete Resnick holding a DISCUSS > and Terry Manderson as AD so it is Pete (or Terry) you need to light a > fire under. > > I did however mention another possibility in my first post, of putting > in our own definition so that it is clear what is intended (if only to > those wishing to adopt the I-D). Given 20 years of (different) usage in > SMI, which some readers will be familiar with, I think we need a > definition so include one! We could just lift the existing text from > leiba-cotton then, if that does not change between now and whenever > leiba-cotton becomes an RFC, we will be in line with them - which is > good. > > I think that IETF/IANA developed all the understanding that is needed of > the meaning of 'deprecated' in 2013 and all we have to do now is to use > that understanding. Thanks for your feedback, I'll respin the draft into a -02 version based on this discussion and submit it later today. Kind regards, Job
- [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijd… John G.Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Julian Seifert
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Hankins, Greg (Nokia - US)
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Peter Hessler
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… David Freedman
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Peter Hessler
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avoid s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avo… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avo… Keyur Patel
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… marco
- Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avo… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avo… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Dickinson, Ian
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder