Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Job Snijders" <job@instituut.net> To: "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> Cc: "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>; "IETF IDR Working Group" <idr@ietf.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 11:27 AM > On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 11:37:46AM +0100, Gert Doering wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 10:32:45AM +0000, t.petch wrote: > > > So we have a definition that has been in use for three years, in the > > > context of IANA, which is, to quote, > > > " Specific entries in a registry can be marked as "obsolete" (no longer > > > in use) or "deprecated" (use is not recommended). " > > > > > > I believe that this I-D cannot be understood without reference to that > > > definition, hence my opposition to an I-D that leaves the interpretation > > > of 'deprecated' up to the reader (who may assume that the SMI definition > > > is appropriate). > > > > So what you're saying is "add a link to that reference, and all is good"? > > > > Why is that interfering with draft *adoption*? Sounds more like wordsmithing > > for the then-WG document before WGLC to me, not a fundamental reason to not > > accept the draft. > > No, it appears that Tom is saying that IDR cannot deprecate codepoints > until IETF/IANA have developed a deeper understanding of the word > "deprecate". Job, Gert I think that that may go beyond what I have said. If draft leiba-cotton becomes an RFC soon, then a Normative Reference to that would be my preferred option, so that IDR is on the same page as IANA and the rest of the IETF. Note the leiba-cotton is in state IESG Evaluation AD follow up for 163 days with Pete Resnick holding a DISCUSS and Terry Manderson as AD so it is Pete (or Terry) you need to light a fire under. I did however mention another possibility in my first post, of putting in our own definition so that it is clear what is intended (if only to those wishing to adopt the I-D). Given 20 years of (different) usage in SMI, which some readers will be familiar with, I think we need a definition so include one! We could just lift the existing text from leiba-cotton then, if that does not change between now and whenever leiba-cotton becomes an RFC, we will be in line with them - which is good. I think that IETF/IANA developed all the understanding that is needed of the meaning of 'deprecated' in 2013 and all we have to do now is to use that understanding. Tom Petch > > Tom, can you confirm that in retrospect you would've opposed > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6938 too, and that it is not clear to you > what that RFC accomplishes? > > Tom, do you have an alternative strategy to prevent value 30 from being > assigned as path attribute value to the next early allocation, other > then adopting and publishing draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129? > > Kind regards, > > Job
- [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijd… John G.Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Julian Seifert
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Hankins, Greg (Nokia - US)
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Peter Hessler
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… David Freedman
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Peter Hessler
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avoid s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avo… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avo… Keyur Patel
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… marco
- Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avo… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avo… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Dickinson, Ian
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-s… John G. Scudder